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re: Derek Chauvin seriously injured in knife attack in prison
Posted on 11/25/23 at 4:51 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 11/25/23 at 4:51 pm to 4cubbies
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The conclusion completely disagrees.
Right. But the conclusion isn’t all that consistent with the facts in the report. There’s literally zero injuries to Floyd that are consistent with asphyxiation. It’s listed in the paragraph I quoted above.
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III. No life-threatening injuries identified A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal structures C. No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries D. No chest wall soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other than a single rib fracture from CPR), vertebral column injuries, or visceral injuries E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and lateral neck, shoulders, back, flanks, and buttocks negative for occult trauma
This post was edited on 11/25/23 at 4:54 pm
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Posted on 11/25/23 at 4:52 pm to 4cubbies
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in this scenario, the police did not lay hands on the suspect.
And in your scenario, the police shot someone. No one shot anyone here. I was using an absurd analogy to point out the absurdity of your analogy.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 4:53 pm to the808bass
Was this guy the picture of health? No way. Does that change what Derek Chavin did? No way.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 4:54 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Unfortunately, it doesn't. The Medical Examiner's interpretation (lie) does. E.g., There was zero demonstrable neck trauma. The amount of intravascular mixed toxins present were lethal levels.
the autopsy disagrees.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 4:54 pm to 4cubbies
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Does that change what Derek Chavin did? No way.
Does it change the proximate cause of his death? It certainly could.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 4:55 pm to NC_Tigah
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The county medical investigator lied.
You’re right. I should ignore the professional with a medical degree and instead believe the poster on an LSU sports message board with nothing to back up their claims.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 4:55 pm to the808bass
Fair enough. If anyone beats (or chokes, or whatever else) someone dying of cancer to death, it’s still murder.
This post was edited on 11/25/23 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 11/25/23 at 4:55 pm to 4cubbies
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someone dying of cancer gets shot in the head, it’s still murder.
Of course not….Obviously he died of Covid.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 4:58 pm to NC_Tigah
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There was zero demonstrable neck trauma.
This does not mean that asphyxia did not occur. Only that there are no signs of it on the body.
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The amount of intravascular mixed toxins present were lethal levels.
This was not in the report I posted from the medical examiner. Perhaps you can cite this claim.
I’ll wait.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 4:59 pm to TigerIn2023
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I should ignore the professional with a medical degree
quote:In this case ... yeah, you'd do well to do just that.
I should ignore the professional with a medical degree and instead believe the poster on an LSU sports message board
Posted on 11/25/23 at 4:59 pm to TigerIn2023
quote:I actually respect NC who is (or has claimed with unwavering fidelity to be) a physician.
You’re right. I should ignore the professional with a medical degree and instead believe the poster on an LSU sports message board with nothing to back up their claims.
But it seems that every time there is a conclusion that conservatives don’t like, they always claim fraud. The entire country isn’t trying to sabotage every incident/vote/election.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 4:59 pm to TigerIn2023
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This does not mean that asphyxia did not occur. Only that there are no signs of it on the body.
It means that the conclusion is based upon subjective opinion rather than objective data. That’s not unheard of in asphyxiation cases. But it’s silly to pretend it’s an objective conclusion.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 5:01 pm to TigerIn2023
quote:Asphyxia ABSOLUTELY occurred. It was a pharmaceutical complication.
This does not mean that asphyxia did not occur.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 5:01 pm to 4cubbies
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If anyone beats (or chokes, or whatever else) someone dying of cancer to death, it’s still murder.
No one beat Floyd to death. Quit posting silly shite.
The claim is not that he was choked to death. The claim is that he died from compression asphyxiation. That is a subjective opinion by a county health official. It’s all very simple. You can claim that it’s the correct subjective opinion. You cannot claim it’s an objective opinion.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 5:02 pm to NC_Tigah
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Unfortunately, it doesn't. The Medical Examiner's interpretation (lie) does
Who performed the autopsy and wrote the report?
Posted on 11/25/23 at 5:03 pm to the808bass
quote:we can say the same things about your opinion too.
You can claim that it’s the correct subjective opinion. You cannot claim it’s an objective opinion.
and I suppose the opinions of all the jurors were also incorrect?
Posted on 11/25/23 at 5:04 pm to NC_Tigah
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It was a pharmaceutical complication.
*citation needed*
This post was edited on 11/25/23 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 11/25/23 at 5:05 pm to 4cubbies
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I suppose the opinions of all the jurors were also incorrect?
Could also be considered subjective. But theirs is the opinion that counts.
This post was edited on 11/25/23 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 11/25/23 at 5:07 pm to 4cubbies
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we can say the same things about your opinion too.
You don’t even know what my opinion is on his death.
Posted on 11/25/23 at 5:09 pm to 4cubbies
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and I suppose the opinions of all the jurors were also incorrect?
Convicting him of murder in the second degree? Yeah. I think that’s almost patently incorrect.
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