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re: Dems, what policies do you campaign on for 2020?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:02 pm to bonhoeffer45
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:02 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Democrats are over-performing by roughly 14% in special elections at the federal and state level in the same races in 2016. Even flipping seats in places like Oklahoma. A lot can change in almost a year, but the trends so far are not looking good for 2018. 2020 is another story.
Are these the same polls that said Trump will never win the primary?
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:03 pm to Centinel
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Are these the same polls that said Trump will never win the primary?
No, that is the collective average of the results from ACTUAL elections.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:07 pm to mwade91383
I would be shocked if a boring white guy is out on the trail talking about policy instead of race on the trail for the Dems in 2020. Would be nice to see. Not the white part but the policy part leaving the identity stuff by the wayside.
Hope it's not too late for that.
Hope it's not too late for that.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:08 pm to bonhoeffer45
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What is a "classical liberal" in your mind?
Discussed in a mildly light mannered way.
Search my last thread I started.
It was a kind of plea for civility. I know. Impossible.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:16 pm to Lsuchs
Clearly you haven’t been paying THAT close attention to modern history. The # of votes in the GE has shifted by several million in every election for the last 100 years, usually more and more votes.
If you don’t think Trump (and whoever he’s running against) needs more votes than they got in 2016, you’re not paying attention.
If you don’t think Trump (and whoever he’s running against) needs more votes than they got in 2016, you’re not paying attention.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:18 pm to bonhoeffer45
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No, that is the collective average of the results from ACTUAL elections.
Which mean what in an electoral system?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:23 pm to bonhoeffer45
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At least thats what the polls seem to say(cue "all polls are fake except Rasmussen polls or the ones that say what we want them to say").
Hillary has a 93% chance of beating Trump.
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It seems like the majority of Americans don't like expensive tax bills that predominately benefit the wealthy.
Nobody is buying your regressive propaganda. Real, working Americans will be happy to keep their hard earned money.
MAGA beta boy.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:31 pm to mwade91383
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The # of votes in the GE has shifted by several million in every election for the last 100 years, usually more and more votes.
Like you said, it’s where not how many. It doesn’t matter if a million more turn out in Cali or if 250k less turn out in La, Ms, Al, and Tx.
We shall see what happens in the Midwest
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:34 pm to Lsuchs
What the shitheads do not understand is no election has ever been decided 3 years in advance.
Somebody has to sell their kook left ideas, they cannot win by not saying anything other than they don't like Trump.
They are asked what they are running on and all they have are their shite polls. They do not have anything to run on.
Somebody has to sell their kook left ideas, they cannot win by not saying anything other than they don't like Trump.
They are asked what they are running on and all they have are their shite polls. They do not have anything to run on.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:36 pm to roadGator
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I would be shocked if a boring white guy is out on the trail talking about policy instead of race on the trail for the Dems in 2020. Would be nice to see. Not the white part but the policy part leaving the identity stuff by the wayside.
It should be pointed out all politics involves identity politics, including Trump's.
Trump plays identity politics everyday. "Are you the type of person that defends kneeling for the National Anthem?" Putting on a hat declaring he is for the coal miners and Bannon defining outsiders the anti-globalists. Even the anti-PC movement is a component of that int he way its played by conservatives: we are the group that thinks it should be accepted by social norms to call Haitians AID's infested hut dwellers that live in a shithole country. Being outraged by that is PC culture threatening our freedom of speech.
What about that isn't identity politics? It's defining a group by how you are different from and supposedly superior to the other people. Collecting a bunch of those norms and anchors to build a group identity.
Right-wing talk radio has built a cottage industry on identity politics. Liberals are all lazy welfare collecting troop hating un-american radical socialists. Meanwhile, conservatives are patriotic, Christian, free market loving, god-fearing patriots that's group identity is positively reinforced to align with the Republican agenda.
If your real point is that you hope they put up a candidate that ignores culture war issues like transgender bathroom laws and #METOO mud slinging, I hope its not some anchoring theme either that leaves policy issues by the wayside, same goes for the culture wars the other side plays. But it is all but guaranteed it will play some role in some capacity because that is politics.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:38 pm to Centinel
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Which mean what in an electoral system?
Mobilization and turnout is currently on the side of Democrats right now. That can always change.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:39 pm to Lsuchs
Sure, but’s it’s usually everywhere. Just spread out. And again when you’re talking about such small numbers (6k in MI, 14k in Wisc, 35k in PA) you’re going to need more votes. Both sides are, period.
If this election was a landslide you’d have an argument (and anyone who says it was a landslide doesn’t know shite about the electrol college, or math). But again, who knows and we’ll just have to wait and find out. I think we’re taking about another very close race. Assuming we don’t go to war or something really crazy happens, it could.
If this election was a landslide you’d have an argument (and anyone who says it was a landslide doesn’t know shite about the electrol college, or math). But again, who knows and we’ll just have to wait and find out. I think we’re taking about another very close race. Assuming we don’t go to war or something really crazy happens, it could.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:43 pm to gthog61
Don’t tell people on the poliboard that. Many of them are 100% convinced he’s already won, “Trump can’t lose in 2020”, and aren’t shy about it.
Good to see some common sense.
Good to see some common sense.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:45 pm to roadGator
I’m picturing somebody like O’Malley or McCaulfie. Probably not either of those guys but somebody who looks/sounds the same. That’s my hope.
But it’ll probably be Ellen Degeneres.
But it’ll probably be Ellen Degeneres.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:55 pm to mwade91383
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O’Malley
cant imagine the Dems running a white male ever again
Posted on 1/11/18 at 9:12 pm to TigerRad
I hope you’re wrong, but you might not be.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 9:13 pm
Posted on 1/11/18 at 9:35 pm to mwade91383
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probably be Ellen Degeneres.
Oh lawd. Would be entertaining at least. That's kind of not the point though.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 9:37 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Liberals are all lazy welfare collecting troop hating un-american radical socialists. Meanwhile, conservatives are patriotic, Christian, free market loving, god-fearing patriots that's group identity is positively reinforced to align with the Republican agenda
Who the heck says that? Link?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:04 pm to texag7
1. Airline Passenger Bill of Rights.
2. Nationalization of the Energy Sector.
3. US Gvt shall get 51% controlling interest in all companies that receive federal subsidies and contracts.
4. Elimination of tax free status for churches.
5. Restoration of same day voting registration.
6. Increase taxes on the Rich to 75%.
7. Adapt Die Linke platform, especially tbe part about the active elderly retirement.
LINK
2. Nationalization of the Energy Sector.
3. US Gvt shall get 51% controlling interest in all companies that receive federal subsidies and contracts.
4. Elimination of tax free status for churches.
5. Restoration of same day voting registration.
6. Increase taxes on the Rich to 75%.
7. Adapt Die Linke platform, especially tbe part about the active elderly retirement.
LINK
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 1/11/18 at 10:20 pm to bonhoeffer45
You said radio. What radio commentator says those things?
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