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re: Dems Have a Problem - Its Not Donald Trump
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:08 am to Machine
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:08 am to Machine
It's a long road to 2020. There are certainly two ways the dem party can go - stick with a sanders or warren and their ship will sink. Or find some younger blood without the baggage. They can terak their message and ride trumps screw ups to the White House.
We will see which way they go.
Damn i hope the libertarians run a real candidate in 2020.
We will see which way they go.
Damn i hope the libertarians run a real candidate in 2020.
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:10 am to FooManChoo
The single and only reason they did not retain the White House was hrc. She was so unlikae and had so much baggage she kept trump in the race. literally anyone else would have beaten him
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:11 am to TheXman
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Also not to mention another woman with a terribly annoying voice. Pretty similar
That's all you had to say. The rest is just bullshite.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:12 am to Machine
Dems have got to stop the sjw bullshite. My only qualms with them would be gun rights and welfare state at that point and I'd probably identity with their candidate 50% of the time.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:14 am to indianswim
Both parties are going through the pains of realignment. The Republicans are just farther through the process than their counterparts.
The Dems leadership is doing its best to prevent any shift at all. This will cause even more damage to the party when it does start to shake out.
My guess, post 2018 mid terms losses. After that beating, the progressives within the party will hijack the Dem platform. Like the Tea party/freedom caucus does with the Republicans. (This will lead to more losses in 2020)
The Dems leadership is doing its best to prevent any shift at all. This will cause even more damage to the party when it does start to shake out.
My guess, post 2018 mid terms losses. After that beating, the progressives within the party will hijack the Dem platform. Like the Tea party/freedom caucus does with the Republicans. (This will lead to more losses in 2020)
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:54 am to Machine
If Trump can get GDP over 3% then he hangs his hat on "its the economy stupid". Deregulation isn't going to do it alone he is going to have to get his tax package passed for it to happen. If we have over 3% GDP by 2018 and into 2019 the democrats won't stand a chance. People vote with their pocketbooks and they aren't going to vote a guy out of office that has turned the economy around.
Identity politics vs strong economy will be the messaging in the next election and the 2018 midterms.
Identity politics vs strong economy will be the messaging in the next election and the 2018 midterms.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 11:57 am
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:56 am to Machine
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Even Hillary Clinton has refused to take any responsibility for losing the election
Has she accepted responsibility for anything she's done in the past 20 years?
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:58 am to Machine
- Does this non conservative outlet's article talk negatively about Democrats/liberals. Yes or No.
If no = fake news
If yes = temporarily credible
If no = fake news
If yes = temporarily credible
Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:04 pm to lsufan1971
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People vote with their pocketbooks and they aren't going to vote a guy out of office that has turned the economy around
Is this the new myth being perpetuated?
The economy was an upward trajectory, albeit slower then normal recoveries, well before Trump took office.
But as Trump and Bernie rightly identified, the gains were concentrated in urban areas. In large parts of the country, mostly rural, the economy has not recovered very well. And there are a lot of good arguments that it probably never will. At least not in the ways people wish.
The question is can Trump convince them that it has, even if the trends continue, or will he be subject to the same attacks of breaking his oath to helping these people? Or can he actually pull off the unlikely and foster a rural revival? Through some yet unknown mechanism?
Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:11 pm to bonhoeffer45
The Dems problem is Barrack Obama
He himself if immensely popular, but his politics are not and thus only a personable person can convince voters outside of the districts which will vote Democrat no matter what to vote for them.
If you just start naming DNC policies without attaching them to a particular party, even within those stalwart parties, they are unanimously rejected; proving , of course, that those voters are all about party, not about what's best for them.
He himself if immensely popular, but his politics are not and thus only a personable person can convince voters outside of the districts which will vote Democrat no matter what to vote for them.
If you just start naming DNC policies without attaching them to a particular party, even within those stalwart parties, they are unanimously rejected; proving , of course, that those voters are all about party, not about what's best for them.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 1:26 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:his policies are overwhelmingly popular. probably not where you live, but by most americans.
He himself if immensely popular, but his politics are not and thus only a personable person can convince voters outside of the districts which will vote Democrat no matter what to vote for them.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 1:31 pm to Machine
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but by most large urban center americans.
FIFY
Posted on 5/15/17 at 1:31 pm to Gray Tiger
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FIFY
soooooo...by most americans...thanks for clarifying
Posted on 5/15/17 at 1:40 pm to Machine
The Dems are in denial; believing that they can count on the 'fake news' MSM to carry the water for Trump's impeachment. Fact is...when they lost the Rust Belt because of Globalist Policy...that's it...they are electoral toast. All that is left are the EW Coastal population centers; and Sessions will zap half the Illegal votes therein. All he has to do is THREATEN prosecution/nullification for Amnesty even if the Dems pledge to fight it in Court. Look at the illegal Border crossings to see the future. Big stick rules.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 1:45 pm to bonhoeffer45
quote:
- Does this non conservative outlet's article talk negatively about Democrats/liberals. Yes or No.
If no = fake news
If yes = temporarily credible
Not true.
Actual quotations with actual sources = credible
No quotes and/or unsourced quotes = fake news
The criteria is the same for all.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 3:08 pm to Machine
I don't agree with the agenda of the far left or far right.
To get the votes both parties need to target the middle and far parts of the party will fall in line.
To get the votes both parties need to target the middle and far parts of the party will fall in line.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 3:20 pm to MizzouBS
I'm not sure Democrats remember where the middle is.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 3:22 pm to roadGator
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I'm not sure Democrats remember where the middle is.
^ For as much as people hate Donald Trump, he has actually brought Republicans closer to the middle.
Hillary was actually pretty middle, but was dragged out a bit by Bernie.
Bernie and his followers are full on communists. Some Bernie-supporting girl I know put something on facebook the other day claiming: We will never overcome oppression until the voices of transwomen of color are heard.
WTF does that mean?
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 5/15/17 at 3:26 pm to TheXman
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Hillary was actually pretty middle,
Middle of the road didn't use to mean repulsing the other party and relying on racism to sell your message.
Once upon a time, I voted for Bill Clinton. I haven't seen a dem since that I would consider in the middle. I knew Obama was a socialist and "white hater" from his past. He could have been in the middle but he started too far left.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 3:27 pm to TheXman
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We will never overcome oppression until the voices of transwomen of color are heard.
I have no idea. I don't understand the language of identity politics.
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