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Decentralize the federal government
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:09 am
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:09 am
The concentration of so much high level bureaucracy in a coastal city separated from mainstream America has got to be feeding corruption. Would you support say..moving the DOJ to Omaha, Nebraska, FBI headquarters to Oklahoma City, State Department to Denver, etc..?
I think there is a DC bubble where these people all live and work with only people who think like them. They go to brunch...with government employees and lobbyists. They go to happy hour... with government employees and lobbyists. They take their dog to the dog park...with government employees and lobbyists. Their apartment or neighborhood is filled...with government employees and lobbyists. They go to cocktail parties...with government employees and lobbyists.
Maybe if these people got out of the bubble, theyd see just how their policy affects everyday people just trying to get along.
I think there is a DC bubble where these people all live and work with only people who think like them. They go to brunch...with government employees and lobbyists. They go to happy hour... with government employees and lobbyists. They take their dog to the dog park...with government employees and lobbyists. Their apartment or neighborhood is filled...with government employees and lobbyists. They go to cocktail parties...with government employees and lobbyists.
Maybe if these people got out of the bubble, theyd see just how their policy affects everyday people just trying to get along.
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Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:12 am to bamafan1001
I’ve long believed that the fed should begin moving to Kansas or Nebraska. None of the costal elites want to live there. It would cut back on a bunch of this crap.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:12 am to bamafan1001
I don't think this is a good idea. The problem with .gov is it's too big, too bloated, and has stepped outside it's constitutionally appointed boundaries.
Physically moving agencies to other places in the country is more likely to corrupt those places than reform the government.
Physically moving agencies to other places in the country is more likely to corrupt those places than reform the government.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:12 am to bamafan1001
You know a nuke off the DC coast could cause a tsunami and voilà! instant enema
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:21 am to Boatshoes
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Physically moving agencies to other places in the country is more likely to corrupt those places than reform the government.
We can agree to disagree on this. I think one of the pulls of DC is that its not far removed from any of the coastal cities were elitism and progressivism dominates the culture. The people going there are going to serve themselves, not the country. Maybe wed get less haughty Yale and Harvard graduates from rich connected families that would want to work for the DOJ if it was in Omaha or Dallas. Maybe wed get more LSU, OU, Tennessee, Nebraska, etc grads. Id much rather those people be running the country than snobby elitist leftists.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:26 am to CoachChappy
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fed should begin moving to Kansas or Nebraska
This is one of the very first reasons that I know all this climate change is bullshite...
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:26 am to Wtodd
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You know a nuke off the DC coast could cause a tsunami and voilà! instant enema
I've never understood why we would concentrate all of our government agencies in a coastal city. It just seems to me that it provides a small margin for error. An ICBM having to fly over half the country to strike its target seems to provide more opportunities to detect and destroy.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:26 am to bamafan1001
I agree with breaking it up and moving the functions to different parts of the country...get them out the DC bubble and the ever dangerous group think.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:28 am to NikolaiJakov
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I've never understood why we would concentrate all of our government agencies in a coastal city. It just seems to me that it provides a small margin for error. An ICBM having to fly over half the country to strike its target seems to provide more opportunities to detect and destroy.
Most likely because our country's founders didnt have to worry about intercontinental ballistic nuclear weapons.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:29 am to bamafan1001
No, I’d be fine with removing the 4th branch of government altogether. All the alphabet soup departments and agencies.
Wanna get back to what made this country so damn special? Get rid of the unelected, unconstitutional administrative state that our weak arse Congress handed all the power to.
Wanna get back to what made this country so damn special? Get rid of the unelected, unconstitutional administrative state that our weak arse Congress handed all the power to.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:30 am to NikolaiJakov
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I've never understood why we would concentrate all of our government agencies in a coastal city.
In the beginning it was for transportation purposes and we really did not have an inland that did not back up to hostile territories...
Now? Because they are dug in like ticks...
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:33 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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No, I’d be fine with removing the 4th branch of government altogether.
this, no need to move, just shut some of them down
how did the country survive before the DOJ was established in 1870?
Dept of
-energy
-aggriculture
-education
-epa
-justice
to name a few
shut then down altogether, do they make a product or do they just exist for the sake of existing?
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:35 am to bamafan1001
There could be something to this.
When I worked for the New South Wales state government, they decentralized various departments out of Sydney. The apparent goal was to provide state jobs to more rural areas of the state, and to give the country folk the feeling that the state government didn't just care about what happened in the state's largest city, and crap on everything else.
Personally, it was a good move for me. After a couple of years I was tired of the city and took this opportunity to move the hell out of there. I moved from a city of 4 million people to a town of about 15,000 three hours south. Those last couple of years there were the best.
I don't know what the long-term effect of these moves have been, but some fifteen years later most of those departments are still outside of the big city. Also, the time I was there, there was growth to the town as a couple of hundred decent paying jobs did provide a boost to the economy. Only a couple of dozen people made the move; the rest of the jobs were filled from local prospects.
When I worked for the New South Wales state government, they decentralized various departments out of Sydney. The apparent goal was to provide state jobs to more rural areas of the state, and to give the country folk the feeling that the state government didn't just care about what happened in the state's largest city, and crap on everything else.
Personally, it was a good move for me. After a couple of years I was tired of the city and took this opportunity to move the hell out of there. I moved from a city of 4 million people to a town of about 15,000 three hours south. Those last couple of years there were the best.
I don't know what the long-term effect of these moves have been, but some fifteen years later most of those departments are still outside of the big city. Also, the time I was there, there was growth to the town as a couple of hundred decent paying jobs did provide a boost to the economy. Only a couple of dozen people made the move; the rest of the jobs were filled from local prospects.
This post was edited on 5/25/18 at 8:44 am
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:35 am to NYNolaguy1
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Most likely because our country's founders didnt have to worry about intercontinental ballistic nuclear weapons.
Agreed, and the reasons listed like transportation and hostiles to the west made sense in the 1800s.
A lot has changed since then. Most of the people hostile to the idea of America are IN Washington DC.
This post was edited on 5/25/18 at 8:36 am
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:35 am to bamafan1001
No. Make them all work remotely. There is no reason to have the facilities that these government functions have. Way to expensive and nice for a bunch of losers that are incompetent. They should work the janitors closest at the police department.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:36 am to The Maj
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This is one of the very first reasons that I know all this climate change is bullshite...
I’m going to need a little bit more here to follow you
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:40 am to CoachChappy
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I’m going to need a little bit more here to follow you
Ever been to DC? If the sea level is going to rise, it is going to flood...
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:40 am to bamafan1001
I’m in favor a building a new capital in Kansas City, make th current a tourist attraction. Pretty crazy to have all branches of government in 1 City on the coast.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 8:53 am to The Maj
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Ever been to DC? If the sea level is going to rise, it is going to flood...
Well, they've got plenty of dykes to stick fingers in...oh wait, I got that backwards
Posted on 5/25/18 at 9:18 am to bamafan1001
This idea is like forced busing. The presumption is that taking the under-performing and putting them with the better-performing will make the under-performing perform better.
To put it into one of my favored analogies: this is like adding a half-gallon of horse shite to four and a half gallons of ice cream and expecting to have five gallons of ice cream.
All that would happen would be the spread of the DC mindset to those new areas.
One of the first things that needs to happen is to fix campaign finance to get all the excess money out of the system, but that's never going to happen because the very people that have to create and pass such legislation are the ones that would take the hit from it.
To put it into one of my favored analogies: this is like adding a half-gallon of horse shite to four and a half gallons of ice cream and expecting to have five gallons of ice cream.
All that would happen would be the spread of the DC mindset to those new areas.
One of the first things that needs to happen is to fix campaign finance to get all the excess money out of the system, but that's never going to happen because the very people that have to create and pass such legislation are the ones that would take the hit from it.
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