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re: David Frum--the mistakes are why you should trust the media
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:48 am to Eurocat
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:48 am to Eurocat
LOL.
They aren’t mistakes if they are made intentionally buddy, hence the quotes.
Members of the media have been lying since the inception of the various media mediums, and you doubt that this continues today?
You’re willfully blind and ignorant.
They aren’t mistakes if they are made intentionally buddy, hence the quotes.
Members of the media have been lying since the inception of the various media mediums, and you doubt that this continues today?
You’re willfully blind and ignorant.
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:51 am to Manzielathon
quote:No, it didn't. Nothing is so discrete. My elaboration on your comment is the only logical extension of what you attempted to convey.
My comment, in essence, ended after as you say “intentional lies”.
quote:Never met the man. He seems like a bit of a drinker and a pisser so I'm sure we'd get on okay. And I love the gays. I have gay friends. Good thing I'm too big for them to try anything funny. And my SO doesn't let me have too much to drink (more than two, apparently) too often.
Are you Don Lemon’s boyfriend or something?
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:53 am to Navytiger74
Well you’re clearly more than two deep at the moment
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:55 am to Eurocat
I always thought that they ran with shoddy info without properly verifying it in cases where it confirmed their liberal bias. Now, however, I'm not so sure. Some of these stories fell apart way too easily to be accidental.
Another issue is recycled journalism. The news culture is so pervasive that networks don't even try to traditionally report on everything, rather they reprint a report from another outlet. The trump bank records subpoena story was a good example of this. Some small German rag prints the story, then Reuters picks it up which starts a media firestorm. No one of any international repute verified the story, which was easily debunked by WH legal council with a single phone call.
Another issue is recycled journalism. The news culture is so pervasive that networks don't even try to traditionally report on everything, rather they reprint a report from another outlet. The trump bank records subpoena story was a good example of this. Some small German rag prints the story, then Reuters picks it up which starts a media firestorm. No one of any international repute verified the story, which was easily debunked by WH legal council with a single phone call.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:57 am to Manzielathon
quote:It was Oyster night and we got home early. And I'm not going in tomorrow. Have to get an airbag recall taken care of.
Well you’re clearly more than two deep at the moment
But still...
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 2:00 am
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:59 am to 88Wildcat
So, David Frum is trying to rationalize the complete unhinged mental illness that is liberalism and calls it mistakes? Got it. Thank you. I can’t wait for the melt in 2020 when President Trump waltzes into a second term.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 2:12 am to Manzielathon
You are paranoid, convinced the New York based world is out to get you.
Hint, sorry to bust your bubble, hint, we aren't. We don't give a hoot.
I was just talking about this Saturday with a friend who is the most non-political guy in the world. We were talking about how the internet allowed people to get to know other people from other parts of the world, the only obstacle in many cases being language and lifestyle (are you really going to be able to chat with a non-English speaking Kazakh dancer for example?).
That said I told him I was astonished at what a persecution complex have in non Blue states. My God some of you see everything as some plot against you. You should calm down, you give yourselves too much credit.
I will type this out one more time (wish I would have saved it would have saved me 10 minutes) but I have lived all my life either overseas (lets ignore that for now - it is not germane to the issue being discussed) lived all my life either in Chicago or New York (Long Island).
As God is ny witness and I am willing to put my hand on a Bible about this, not ONCE has the issue of the "south" ever come up in a conversation of any kind. NOT ONCE. WE DO NOT FETISH ABOUT YOU, HELLO, OKAY?
If southern stuff has ever come up (I am not contradicting what I said above, specific issues may arise), then it is always complimentary about great food like Chicken and Bananna pudding (oh God I love that), nice polite people (and if you are an under 30 something man nice pretty women), and sometimes even college football.
But the rest of the stuff WE DO NOT CARE. Stop acting like we do.
You guys have a persecution complex!
Stop it, we don't talk or think about you, I will put not one but two hands on a bible to testify to this and I am a member of the board of directors of a parish. The south has NEVER come up! Stop thinking we think about you, we do not!
Hint, sorry to bust your bubble, hint, we aren't. We don't give a hoot.
I was just talking about this Saturday with a friend who is the most non-political guy in the world. We were talking about how the internet allowed people to get to know other people from other parts of the world, the only obstacle in many cases being language and lifestyle (are you really going to be able to chat with a non-English speaking Kazakh dancer for example?).
That said I told him I was astonished at what a persecution complex have in non Blue states. My God some of you see everything as some plot against you. You should calm down, you give yourselves too much credit.
I will type this out one more time (wish I would have saved it would have saved me 10 minutes) but I have lived all my life either overseas (lets ignore that for now - it is not germane to the issue being discussed) lived all my life either in Chicago or New York (Long Island).
As God is ny witness and I am willing to put my hand on a Bible about this, not ONCE has the issue of the "south" ever come up in a conversation of any kind. NOT ONCE. WE DO NOT FETISH ABOUT YOU, HELLO, OKAY?
If southern stuff has ever come up (I am not contradicting what I said above, specific issues may arise), then it is always complimentary about great food like Chicken and Bananna pudding (oh God I love that), nice polite people (and if you are an under 30 something man nice pretty women), and sometimes even college football.
But the rest of the stuff WE DO NOT CARE. Stop acting like we do.
You guys have a persecution complex!
Stop it, we don't talk or think about you, I will put not one but two hands on a bible to testify to this and I am a member of the board of directors of a parish. The south has NEVER come up! Stop thinking we think about you, we do not!
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 2:16 am
Posted on 12/11/17 at 2:16 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:Almost as though some of these frickups are setups...like the Project Veritas (lol) scheme that WAPO sniffed out a couple of weeks ago. Looks as though they've gotten more sophisticated. They won't plant outright lies...just substantive inaccuracies of varying degree. Such as:
I always thought that they ran with shoddy info without properly verifying it in cases where it confirmed their liberal bias. Now, however, I'm not so sure. Some of these stories fell apart way too easily to be accidental.
Flynn flipped and will testify that "Trump directed that we reach out to the Russians for 'X' as a candidate" when in reality, Flynn flipped and will say "Trump directed that we reach out to the Russians for a much less significant 'Y' as president-elect." Or that DoJ subpoenaed Deutsche Bank's records on Trump, when they actually just subpoenaed DB's records on accounts "relating to Trump." (Honestly still don't see how that was "fake news.") Or that some jokers reached out to Trump's campaign on the 4th of September to reveal some WikiLeaks info that could help them when they actually reached out on the 14th of September to highlight some WikiLeaks info that could help them.
I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but it's awfully interesting.
Schiff's interview this morning was pretty alarming. As were Director Clapper's comments on LTG Flynn on that special a few nights ago.
I mean, I wasn't alarmed. But people should be. I was disgusted by the thought of this cooption of senior leaders.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 2:32 am to Navytiger74
quote:
Flynn flipped and will testify that "Trump directed that we reach out to the Russians for 'X' as a candidate" when in reality, Flynn flipped and will say "Trump directed that we reach out to the Russians for a much less significant 'Y' as president-elect." Or that DoJ subpoenaed Deutsche Bank's records on Trump, when they actually just subpoenaed DB's records on accounts "relating to Trump." (Honestly still don't see how that was "fake news.") Or that some jokers reached out to Trump's campaign on the 4th of September to reveal some WikiLeaks info that could help them when they actually reached out on the 14th of September to highlight some WikiLeaks info that could help them.
I wouldn't call these just "substantive inaccuracies". There are massive distinctions here. For example, the difference between the 4th and the 14th is essentially, collusion - but whatevs.
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 2:39 am
Posted on 12/11/17 at 2:38 am to Navytiger74
quote:
. I have gay friends. Good thing I'm too big for them to try anything funny.
oh yeah? Do they call you big boy too? quote:
And my SO doesn't let me have too much to drink (more than two, apparently) too often.
So your gay buddies won't fudge pack you? Bless his/her heart.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 4:25 am to Navytiger74
My friend, they are held to a higher standard because of the trust and faith the public places in them. And they have demonstrated reckless disregard for the truth and journalistic integrity. They are wantonly seeking and publishing anything and everything that will even potentially damage the POTUS. Muckraking at its finest. And they are hurting their own selves. That is a fact.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 4:48 am to Eurocat
quote:
You are just flat out wrong about the media making mistakes intentionally.
What happens,they get tipped off about a story,where somebody who has an opposite world view,of them,and is therefore considered their political enemy,they get excited,run the story before they check it out,and make themselves and their employer look like idiots.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 5:01 am to 88Wildcat
LOL @ comparing journalism to science. But ok.
In science, if 99% of your "mistakes" tend to support your original hypothesis, you know you're having a problem with observer bias.
Also LOL @ NT's troll on here.
You can't say they're "preoccupied with fixing their mistakes" when they aren't catching themselves!
That's like a bank robber saying he's not a crook because every time he's caught, he gives the money back.
In science, if 99% of your "mistakes" tend to support your original hypothesis, you know you're having a problem with observer bias.
Also LOL @ NT's troll on here.
You can't say they're "preoccupied with fixing their mistakes" when they aren't catching themselves!
That's like a bank robber saying he's not a crook because every time he's caught, he gives the money back.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 5:07 am to 88Wildcat
quote:
Bizarroland: David Frum says the mistakes are why people should trust the media
Mistakes are natural - and forgivable, Sloppiness and bias are not forgivable.
What is the last "mistake' the media has had that impugned the DEMs - especially the high holiness HRC or Obama. No - they vet the hell out of any piece of information they receive that is negative towards the prog/DEM agenda and present it with every euphemism they can wrap around it. They don't even report it at all unless they are forced to do so by the fact it is already out in the public view. Then they present opinion panels to discuss how insignificant it is and present counter opinion about how the conservatives are just as bad, or worse.
No scrap of 'information' that impugns a Conservative goes unreported - and then the discussion panels convene to opine on how bad it 'really' is and the dire imports for the nation.
The media is biased - 'mistakes' all break one way.
They deserve nothing but contempt for the way they ignore anything positive about conservatives and dance with glee about anything negative.
screw em all.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 5:12 am to starsandstripes
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This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 5:15 am
Posted on 12/11/17 at 5:13 am to ShortyRob
Holy crap. Now the lefty rank and file is blaming conservatives for the media frick ups? "It was a setup!"
Yeah. Let's just avoid admitting the obvious.
If the problem was "mistakes" then CNN should find itself retracting errors made that were POSITIVE about conservatives as often as errors made that were negative
Their "Holy shite let's be first" boo boos would tend to be equally distributed.
I mean. You know. As long as we want to bring "science" into this.
Yeah. Let's just avoid admitting the obvious.
If the problem was "mistakes" then CNN should find itself retracting errors made that were POSITIVE about conservatives as often as errors made that were negative
Their "Holy shite let's be first" boo boos would tend to be equally distributed.
I mean. You know. As long as we want to bring "science" into this.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 5:15 am to ChineseBandit58
Hannity has you whitewashed.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 5:19 am to KoachKletus
Leftists coming up with repeated longggggggggggggggg spiels in support of lying
Why is this not surprising?
Why is this not surprising?
Posted on 12/11/17 at 5:24 am to Eurocat
quote:
You are just flat out wrong about the media making mistakes intentionally.
I agree - nobody makes 'mistakes' intentionally.
However, they are driven by bias and are sloppy in their rush to be the 'first' one to publicize the next 'defamatory' information about conservatives, or Trump specifically.
Their sloppiness is what leads to the 'mistakes' and their bias is what results in the 'mistakes' all being in one direction.
They have never rushed to the presses to reveal something negative about Obama or Clinton - in fact when something negative about those idols pops up, they put all their resources into ways of presenting it with the least impact and vet the hell out of it before allowing it to go to press.
You cannot deny that.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 5:28 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:
You cannot deny that.
Oh yes he can!
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