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Posted on 6/22/17 at 7:39 am to skrayper
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If the cop approaching sees the passenger reaching for something, and if they are already in this mindset, you're not helping the situation.
My whole post was in the context of putting the firearm in the glovebox & papers ready PRIOR to the officer approaching. Not judging (don't have all facts), merely pointing out basic survival tips when dealing with LEO's while possessing a firearm. Even the tiniest decision needs to be calculated w/ the finest precision when 2 humans have deadly weapons dealing w/ each other
The margin for error is small these days. Recent events like the A-hole "shoot a guy in the back guy" cop, & the Dallas + Baton Rouge police assassin thugs only enhance the mistrust & tension
Posted on 6/22/17 at 7:46 am to bmy
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Hopefully this court gets shown up when the civil suit goes live and the officer is held responsible for his actions
A civil suit does not show up a court of law. There is a much lower standard of proof in a civil suit.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:46 am to StrongSafety
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Where was his wallet? You can't tell from that video that he reached for the gun
Doesn't matter, when a LEO tells you not to move, don't fricking move. Let's say his weapon was tucked into his waistband and his wallet was in his back pocket, should an officer just assume "yeah he's reaching for his wallet?"
This concept of not fricking moving when a guy who has a weapon pointed at you screaming repeatedly "don't move" isn't a novel one.
The only real question here is "was the guy reaching around or was he sitting still as ordered?" Sees a jury agreed he was not sitting still.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:48 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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when a LEO tells you not to move, don't fricking move.
It probably would've been helpful if that's what the policeman actually said.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:51 am to the808bass
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It probably would've been helpful if that's what the policeman actually said.
Didn't he say, "Don't reach for it!" several times?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:51 am to the808bass
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It probably would've been helpful if that's what the policeman actually said.
I agree. He likely wrongfully assumed he wouldn't have to explain the obviousness of that
The officer did a poor job in controlling that situation
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:52 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Let's say his weapon was tucked into his waistband and his wallet was in his back pocket, should an officer just assume "yeah he's reaching for his wallet?"
so youre just making up the facts as you go along now? You can't stick with what actually happened here? Nice to know you dont support the second amendment.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:52 am to the808bass
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It probably would've been helpful if that's what the policeman actually said.
the cop panicked, I don't think racism had anything to do with it, that said, its unfortunate and the cop needs to have some sort of repercussion for taking the life of someone
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:03 am to DawgsLife
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Didn't he say, "Don't reach for it!" several times?
He did. That's a vague command unfortunately. Especially from Castile's perspective. He has just informed the cop there a gun in the car. The cop says "Don't reach for it." Castile thinks, "Ok, I'm not reaching for my gun. He needs my license." He responds, "I'm not." "Don't reach for it." The girlfriend says "He's not." At this point, the cop doesn't know where the gun is. A "put your hands up" or "put your hands on the wheel" (which is what the other cops at trial said they would've said) could've made all the difference. Maybe not. But maybe.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 9:04 am
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:11 am to the808bass
Sounds like he made the wrong decision by telling the cop he had a gun. The moment he said that the cop panicked and turned into a sniveling little bitch. Needless to say it's a good thing the they yanked someone as unfit to serve as him off the force, although he shouldn't be on the streets as a private citizen at all.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:12 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:I didnt see the video, I do not feel it was a necessary shooting, I feel bad that a man died who was legal carry.
This looks bad for Castile
He was repeatedly told not to even try reaching
So its sad.
On the other hand the first thing we were told getting my CCW was: To prevent from getting shot: keep both hands on the wheel, or place your hands on the dash or the seat in front of you, do not go for the firearm, the officer will decide what to do.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:18 am to ninthward
The first thing you are told is DO NOT GO PACKING IF UNDER THE INFLUENCE! YOUR PERMIT WILL BE TAKEN AWAY AT THE VERY MINIMUM, AND YOU MIGHT DO SOMETHING STUPID THAT COULD END UP WITH SOMEONE LOSING THEIR LIFE!
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:42 am to AjaxFury
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I agree. He likely wrongfully assumed he wouldn't have to explain the obviousness of that
The officer did a poor job in controlling that situation
You didn't watch the video did you? I can tell.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:43 am to REG861
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so youre just making up the facts as you go along now? You can't stick with what actually happened here? Nice to know you dont support the second amendment.
It has nothing to do with the second amendment. You do know that Castile lied on his CC application to get it, right?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:51 am to the808bass
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That's a vague command unfortunately.
Not sure I agree here. When somebody says, "I have a weapon." and the officer says don't reach for it, then." that is pretty self explanatory. Could he have used a BETTER choice of words? Yes. But I wouldn't keep moving my hands around in that situation. The officer was clearly jumpy.
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Castile thinks, "Ok, I'm not reaching for my gun. He needs my license." He responds, "I'm not." "Don't reach for it." The girlfriend says "He's not." At this point, the cop doesn't know where the gun is.
I agree 100%. But when the cop keep saying "Don't reach for it" it should be evident he should stop moving. The cop had no idea where the gun was. (Apparently....I don't think Castile said where the gun was located) Once Castile said he had a weapon, things just escalated very, very quickly. It looked like at that point it was only a second or two before everything happened.
Again....a bad situation.
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(which is what the other cops at trial said they would've said)
It's always easy to say, "I would have said....." when there is not stress or pressure and you have time to think about it.
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could've made all the difference. Maybe not. But maybe.
Again we agree. It would have made a difference, I think. It's a shame things happened as they did. A woman lost her boyfriend, and a little girl lost her daddy. That's always sad.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:55 am to ninthward
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I feel bad that a man died who was legal carry.
Thing is...it was not a legal carry for two reasons.
1. He lied on his application to get the CC.
2. He was high when carrying.
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I didnt see the video, I do not feel it was a necessary shooting,
The video is on the first page. Take a look at it, and keep in mind it all happened in a matter of a couple of seconds. Not much time to analyze a situation and make wise decisions.
It probably was not a necessary shooting. I said in the thread earlier, that if somebody is going to try to shoot an officer, he normally does not announce that he has a gun. That is NORMALLY...and you never know. It was the officer's life and he was not sure, obviously.
Sad all the way around.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:56 am to REG861
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The moment he said that the cop panicked and turned into a sniveling little bitch.
And you would man up if you were in a situation that might endanger your life, right?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:57 am to DawgsLife
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And you would man up if you were in a situation that might endanger your life, right?
Castile didn't panic, and he didn't have police training. Only the cop panicked.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:08 am to DawgsLife
I agree...we have to treat grown men like children? If I have a gun and the cop tells me not to reach for it, I'm going to just sit there and do nothing and wait for further instructions. It's funny how people need to be told EXACTLY word for word what to do. It's common sense...except when you're high as a kite I guess things are more difficult to understand.
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