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Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:52 pm to the808bass
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I'll say that there's no guarantee of equality of outcomes across the races. We don't have to prosecute fewer blacks simply to achieve equality of outcomes. We're a nation of individuals and should be judged on an individual basis whenever possible.
Well said
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:53 pm to the808bass
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But if they frick up, admit they fricked up. And let them face the consequences.
No problem admitting when they do and agree with them facing the consequences. Re: the shooting in marksville of the father and little boy. But in this case, Yanez didn't frick up. Castile did.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:54 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Your question would be just if there was a time in recorded history when there was not an irrational fear of black men.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:57 pm to the808bass
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It doesn't. But it might lead to resisting arrest.
Maybe. But if we are using deductive reasoning...
Resisting arrest... Influenced by resentment.... From over policing.... Over policing due to high rates of crime by black people
Is that reasonable?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:58 pm to the808bass
I normally side with cops on situations like this but this looks really bad. If he was out to kill a cop, I'm not sure he would announce that he had a weapon. Just a shitty situation.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:58 pm to luckylefty
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Your question would be just if there was a time in recorded history when there was not an irrational fear of black men.
Hahahah what the frick?
I'm not even going to address this
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:59 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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I'm not even going to address this
You did.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:03 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Over policing due to high rates of crime by black people
Over-policing isn't driven solely by high rates of crime by black people. Castile had been stopped and cited like 36 times. If I had been pulled over 36 times, I might not be as complaint as he was.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:04 pm to the808bass
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My wife called the police recently because someone had abandoned a car on the shoulder of the street behind our house. The police officer came to our house, asked for my name and then and went to his car to run my name for warrants. I laughed at him. And I told my wife to never call the police again.
As I said, "Trust". It isn't there anymore. From either side.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:04 pm to the808bass
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Over-policing isn't driven solely by high rates of crime by black people. Castile had been stopped and cited like 36 times.
What else drives over policing?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:06 pm to luckylefty
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You did.
Ok I'll bite.
There is obviously a time in recorded history when there was not an irrational fear of black men.
Happy?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:07 pm to reo45
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From either side.
This can't be said enough.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:14 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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What else drives over policing?
Way too many laws.
The War on Drugs.
Revenue generation needs of municipalities.
The little cities that populate the north part of St. Louis issue thousands upon thousands of tickets a year because they "need the money."
In 2013 , Ferguson, a town of 21,000 some people, issued almost 33,000 arrest warrants.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:15 pm to the808bass
After watching that I blame Darwin.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:17 pm to the808bass
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had been stopped and cited like 36 times
And didn't get shot one time.....
If he truly had had enough getting pulled over and wished to go tarzan on the cops I doubt he would let the cop know he had this hidden piece on his body that he would not abra cadabra bring into focus to then shoot the cop.
From what I have read the gun would have been brandished as he went for his wallet as the gun was on the same side of his pocket where his wallet was. So, he was smart to tell the cop he was armed. His mistake was not putting his freaking hands on the dashboard and telling the cop he had a weapon first before reaching. They both panicked. The situation was in itself shitty from the start. I don't think the cop should go to jail personally. Castille (if he was truly high) wasn't clicking upstairs and although he recognized that he needed to tell the cop he had a gun, he didn't see the threat that was already present in and of itself and foolishly kept going for his wallet where his gun was at.
I would not have rendered a guilty verdict either on this cop. He isn't evil and his only crime is that the guy wasn't listening.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:20 pm to reo45
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My wife called the police recently because someone had abandoned a car on the shoulder of the street behind our house. The police officer came to our house, asked for my name and then and went to his car to run my name for warrants. I laughed at him. And I told my wife to never call the police again.
As I said, "Trust". It isn't there anymore. From either side.
Which is why everything is show me your ID!
And they tried to ram through State houses that requirement when it never was one if you weren't in the commission of a crime or they had no probable cause.
Because that's all they're told their job is now. To check for warrants on the entire populace and write tickets that pay for their salary.
So stop and frisk for no reason has been allowed in certain jurisdictions just like DUI checkpoints.
No more probable cause (except I'm in a bad neighborhood so I can stop and frisk and check for warrants everyone) or (it's New Years Eve, so I can pull over every goddamn car for no reason.)
Car got stolen?
Cops aren't going to find your car, they don't even care...hell, they might investigate you for insurance fraud...you stole the car! The minute you go to the cops for help, they start investigating you, run your ID, search for warrants, look for parking tickets.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:24 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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The minute you go to the cops for help, they start investigating you, run your ID, search for warrants, look for parking tickets.
It's all about getting you in the system. Everything is an opportunity.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:25 pm to the808bass
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Way too many laws. The War on Drugs. Revenue generation needs of municipalities. The little cities that populate the north part of St. Louis issue thousands upon thousands of tickets a year because they "need the money." In 2013 , Ferguson, a town of 21,000 some people, issued almost 33,000 arrest warrants.
Maybe so. I can't really prove that wrong as a motivation
If that is true... It is in order to pay for an overwhelming welfare state. Which in turn keeps blacks stuck in this vicious cycle
I would also say, over policing is mostly (90%) due to the high rate of black crime in my opinion. Take this case for example, a black guy commits armed robbery, which leads to this innocent guy getting pulled over and this entire situation. We don't know how far these ripples extend.
It's unfortunate that this guy got pulled over because someone else committed a crime, but what should the cops do? Not look for the suspect?
Same thing with actual high crime areas in major cities. Most of the crimes lead back to these neighborhoods and the cops are in there trying to solve the crimes which puts them in contact with blacks more often
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:30 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Because that's all they're told their job is now.
LINK
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"The mayor has designated traffic court and ticket revenue for future pay increases," Atlanta Police Union President Ken Allen wrote this month.
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