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re: Daily COVID Updated as of 11/2/20 8:00 PM
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:13 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:13 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:It is. Kork is merely a fig.
Map looks legit to me
Maybe the New York titty ring brain trust shouldn't have made brilliant moves like forcing nursing homes to accept infected people.
And of course, party down in Chinatown.
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:15 pm to Korkstand
You’re triggered for a different reason.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:17 pm to blueboy
quote:I'm just not easily manipulated. I care about the truth, and I point out misleading information whenever I see it. You know, like this board does when liberal media misrepresents the truth (lies).
It is. Kork is merely a fig.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:18 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Not just the appearance. The guy who made it openly admits to cherry-picking.
Is his map inaccurate?
Also, I can't get to the guy's post. Has it been removed?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:19 pm to Korkstand
None of this information is incorrect. It’s just not what you like.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:20 pm to Korkstand
Nah, I'd say it's a fair though rough assessment of who behaved most carelessly during the crucial early stages of the virus, and the effects of that behavior.
But you're right. They should have put some yellow and red over in CA. Good catch.
But you're right. They should have put some yellow and red over in CA. Good catch.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:24 pm to David_DJS
quote:It's inaccurate in the same way that all manipulative representations of information are. The intent is to push a narrative rather than present accurate information.
Is his map inaccurate?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:25 pm to blueboy
Anybody know why there aren’t any NY numbers up on worldometer for today yet? Don’t they typically have some out by now?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:25 pm to Korkstand
quote:
It's inaccurate in the same way that all manipulative representations of information are. The intent is to push a narrative rather than present accurate information.
Stop with your silly BS. Just answer the question. Regardless of what his "narrative" is, is the map accurate?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:27 pm to the808bass
quote:The same can be said about nearly every "lie" told by the media. It's true, but it's manipulative. You just don't have a problem with this particular case because you agree with the narrative. That's human nature.
None of this information is incorrect. It’s just not what you like.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:34 pm to David_DJS
quote:
is the map accurate?
It's accurate in the sort of way that the electoral maps of Presidential results are when you mark them by county winners - like the 2016 election, differences in population density can make a big difference. Here's the map by county:
And then weighted for population which gives a better sense of differences in density:
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:38 pm to David_DJS
quote:If you want to be this strict about it, then no, it is not. The red is actually 30.4% of the deaths, not 1/3. LINK He didn't do the full 33% because he would have had to paint either a county in CA red, or many more counties in the NE red, and that would not have been as misleading as he wanted.
Stop with your silly BS. Just answer the question. Regardless of what his "narrative" is, is the map accurate?
It is simple to cherry-pick "accurate" data to mislead people. This is a huge problem, not just with this map, but in all media. We shouldn't support it.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:39 pm to Korkstand
And you do have a problem because you don’t like the narrative that this isn’t that big a deal to the vast majority of the US.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:42 pm to TigerDoc
quote:
It's accurate in the sort of way that the electoral maps of Presidential results are when you mark them by county winners
You seem to be suggesting that geography/distancing has nothing to do with the spread of the virus (which is unlike voting).
If you were asked to make a simple physical representation (a map) of the incidence (or mortality) of the virus broken down into 3 contiguous regions - by severity, wouldn't you come up with something close to what this guy did? The mistake he made was not making the regions contiguous.
The "narrative" is obvious and it's accurate. The vast majority of the country has not experienced a "crisis" that warrants much of any of the measures taken.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:46 pm to the808bass
quote:I don't want it to be a big deal, and I don't think it's a big deal. Nothing about it is anywhere near the level that I personally think would warrant any kind of widespread shutdown response. It's just not that bad.
And you do have a problem because you don’t like the narrative that this isn’t that big a deal to the vast majority of the US.
But we don't need misleading maps to tell us that. We can take an honest look at the data and draw the same conclusion.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:50 pm to David_DJS
My point is why does there need to be 3 contiguous areas? You can make a data visualization a million different ways. At this point the current incidence of the disease and trends up and down is more relevant to public health & political discussions.
Here's the Johns Hopkins map, which won't link here since it's interactive, but it controls for population and gives a better sense of the epidemic that relevant for public health.
Johns Hopkins
Here's the Johns Hopkins map, which won't link here since it's interactive, but it controls for population and gives a better sense of the epidemic that relevant for public health.
Johns Hopkins
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:58 pm to David_DJS
quote:The question we should ask is "are we trying to convey useful information, or are we trying to elicit a response or emotion?"
If you were asked to make a simple physical representation (a map) of the incidence (or mortality) of the virus broken down into 3 contiguous regions - by severity, wouldn't you come up with something close to what this guy did?
Why 3 regions, and why contiguous? Why are we trying to make a huge country with multiple hotspots appear to have only 1 hotspot? What is the purpose of presenting data in this way?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:11 pm to Korkstand
That map looks like pretty useful information to me. It shows that most of our nation shouldn't be taking the draconian steps we've been taking.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:15 pm to TigerDoc
quote:
My point is why does there need to be 3 contiguous areas? You can make a data visualization a million different ways. At this point the current incidence of the disease and trends up and down is more relevant to public health & political discussions.
Here's the Johns Hopkins map, which won't link here since it's interactive, but it controls for population and gives a better sense of the epidemic that relevant for public health.
I think the Johns Hopkins map says the exact same thing as the other map for a person with any level of technical/mathematical acumen. But that's not the "American populous" - show them the JH map and their take away is whatever Don Lemon or Sean Hannity said last.
The more simple map is easier for them to follow - the takeaway being - - - for the vast majority of the country (geographically, which = states/counties), the virus is the same as the flu. Not the same disease, so don't go off on that tangent, but in terms of impact on your community from a health standpoint, it's like a flu.
That takeaway is pretty accurate.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:19 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Why 3 regions, and why contiguous? Why are we trying to make a huge country with multiple hotspots appear to have only 1 hotspot? What is the purpose of presenting data in this way?
As far as the 3.8 million square miles that make up the US, there is only one hotspot.
A hotspot on a national level is not the same thing as a hot spot on a regional, state or local level.
There's a hotspot 5 miles away from me (an old folks home), something substantial for my suburb, noticeable for metro-Phoenix, but it's a blip for the state of AZ, and inconsequential for the US.
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