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Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:03 am to
Posted by bfniii
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:03 am to
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Mortality is climbing and up to 4.29%
i realize this has been discussed ad nauseum but, if the cali antibody study is at all accurate, the mortality is a fraction of these numbers we're looking at
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:05 am to
We have 77 residents in the nursing home where I work .. more than 20% of our people have tested positive and three are now in the hospital; one recorded fatality thus far.

My heart is so sad for them and their families.
Posted by bfniii
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:10 am to
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Can you explain the omission of New York? I get that they are an outlier but want to understand your reasoning

Are they just too inconsistent with reporting?
because it is painfully obvious they are having a totally different experience than the rest of the country. one of the problems we've been having is conflating their numbers with the national numbers thus inflating the severity of the outbreak which is leading to questionable policy decisions.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:31 am to
This is the link to the US state level tracker that I have shared via Google Drive. Chromdome's State Level COVID-19 Daily Tracker
This is the link to the COVID-19 Country tracker that I have shared on Google Drive. Chromdome's COVID-19 Daily Tracker

4/18/20 UPDATE: I am changing these updates to show the data for the US without NY State numbers included. The information and graphs presented in my updates going forward will all be from the perspective of omitting NY State results. All of the original data is still present on the tracker linked above








The severe drop in cases is caused by today's reporting. As more numbers come in, this graph will change



This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 11:37 am
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:34 am to
I agree totally. I think the real mortality is much lower.

If you look at the US Mortality Case Load Required Tab on the tracker, on the right of the sheet you'll see the current calculated mortality based on the % of positive tests as applied to the whole population.

Excluding NY, the rest of the nation is showing .04% mortality.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:35 am to
bfnii's response is dead on

quote:

because it is painfully obvious they are having a totally different experience than the rest of the country. one of the problems we've been having is conflating their numbers with the national numbers thus inflating the severity of the outbreak which is leading to questionable policy decisions.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:48 am to
not just that but I think theyre one of the only areas that came out and said theyre counting deaths different by including "suspected" COVID19 deaths. its including apples in the oranges bin.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 11:58 am to
The second rise in positive tests is interesting. Are you all seeing that in your states? Missouri is.

New testing coming online? Backlogged tests being returned?
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 11:59 am
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 12:03 pm to
It looks like there has been an increase in the daily testing. We were hanging out in the 130K range for quite a while, now it looks like it's up to around the 157Kish range.

The % positive is holding steady, so more tests @ the same % percent rate = more positive cases just because of the increase in testing volume.
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

Excluding NY, the rest of the nation is showing .04% mortality.


That makes a big assumption based on the ability to extrapolate the current positive testing rate to the entire country and then using current deaths (despite a number of active cases) in the numerator. Excluding NY, the current CFR is 4.18%. As I've said before in this thread, I think the IFR will end up in the range of 0.3%-0.8% based on the studies we've seen so far. However, to use the 0.04% figure right now seems tenuous.

I appreciate all you're doing in this thread, but I also don't want people to incorrectly deduce that this virus is half as fatal as the flu. It's not. It's also not 30-40x deadlier than the flu, as the WHO implied in March.
Posted by Ingloriousbastard
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 12:27 pm to
I think it’s impossible to say at the moment. The CFR is an interesting gauge because it shows how well we are managing diagnosed cases, which are also typically the more extreme cases.

I don’t think we will know the true rate until months from now, when antibody tests are widely available and a sufficient amount of the population has been tested for them.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 12:30 pm to
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The % positive is holding steady, so more tests @ the same % percent rate = more positive cases just because of the increase in testing volume.


It looks like we’re capturing less serious cases in Missouri. Hospital utilization dropped by 15% in one day - from around 1100 to 850 - with not even 30 of those being deaths.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:00 pm to
I agree that my methodology is not great; however, based on the numbers that are available to us today, I feel like a .04% mortality would not be unreasonable.

That places it above the normal flu mortality of .01%, but far below the 4% we're seeing today.

Since the testing (and the resulting positive results) has been focused on symptomatic people, it would be a logical assumption to conclude the % positive rate is high. If you remove NY from the testing data, the % positive rate falls to a cumulative 15.6% vs 19.5%

Another thing I think bears consideration is that the Daily Testing Results show a 7 day average 16.27% positive rate with a range of 13.7% up to 18.1%. As more testing is performed, that 7 day rolling average % of positive tests should decline to represent the penetration of the virus into the population, shouldn't it?

Posted by hottub
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:16 pm to
Does the 7 day rolling average include NY?

Thanks doing this, btw.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:21 pm to
If you are asking about the graph in my post above, it does not include NY
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:48 pm to
It sounds like Arkansas's cases are going to take a big jump in the next couple of days. Listening to the Gov's press conference, one of our prisions (cummins high security) has a large outbreak underway.

They've tested 1400 prisoners, several hundred new cases getting ready to hit our numbers.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:56 pm to
7,000 fatalities in nursing homes.
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 2:54 pm to
In NY or nationwide? Assuming nationwide.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 3:34 pm to
Nationwide.
Posted by Tiger JED
Texas
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Posted on 4/19/20 at 4:14 pm to
Sorry to see you taking out NY as now makes it hard to compare day to day progress vs past
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