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re: Criminal Search Warrant Served for Man Who Posted Fliers Doxxing ICE Agents

Posted on 5/4/25 at 11:35 am to
Posted by ChanceOfRainIsNever
Far from Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 5/4/25 at 11:35 am to
It’s all about intent and context in this case
Posted by Reeaholic
Moss Bluff
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 5/4/25 at 11:59 am to
You’re a lawyer, do better.

Doxxing ICE agents by distributing their personal information on flyers could be considered dangerous and intimidating, depending on the context and intent. If the act was meant to harass, threaten, or incite harm, it could violate U.S. laws like 18 U.S.C. § 2261A (stalking) or 18 U.S.C. § 875 (threats), potentially leading to charges. Courts would look at factors like the doxxer’s intent, the content of the flyers, and the impact on the agents (e.g., fear for safety). Even if the info was publicly sourced, the act of distributing it to intimidate could still cross legal lines. Prosecutors might argue it endangers agents by exposing them to targeted harassment or violence.

You can’t say clearly protected by the 1A when arguments can be made backed by actual laws. I know you like to play devils advocate here but at least be truthful.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7175 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 12:04 pm to
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Do I work for the government?


What possible difference could it make in this context
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
973 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 4:39 pm to
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all of our basic info is easily found and available.


Yes, but then again there's no need to hand it for to impetuous, hyper-emotional psychopaths and lunatics, is there?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/4/25 at 4:41 pm to
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but then again there's no need to hand it for to impetuous, hyper-emotional psychopaths and lunatics, is there?


LEO already has the information baw
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
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Posted on 5/4/25 at 4:52 pm to
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LEO already has the information baw


Maybe.

But that doesn't mean other psychos and lunatics hadn't already grabbed the personal info before the info-baw's arrest.

Be interesting how the prosecutors handle it.
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
973 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 4:56 pm to
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What happened to the days when our government knew how to take someone out quietly?


When THEY themselves are threatened, they need to be very noisy about it as to discourage similar behavior "detrimental to their privacy and safety."

Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 5/4/25 at 5:06 pm to
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es, but then again there's no need to hand it for to impetuous, hyper-emotional psychopaths and lunatics, is there?

So your strongly against property records being made available online or being publicly available for people at all?

Why is the guy who posted it on fliers anymore guilty than the local assessors office? The difference is intent of posting it. They need to make a case that his intent was to cause harassment.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 5/4/25 at 5:10 pm to
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They need to make a case that his intent was to cause harassment.


Thank you, wise old gay man.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Member since Oct 2010
107250 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 5:13 pm to
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This is psychotic. Several armored vehicles, a drone, and what looks like a dozen officers—to arrest a guy for putting up fliers with law enforcement's info,


Thus guy must have forgotten all the swat teams sent to arrest many for doing less.
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
6569 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 5:17 pm to
I want a conviction.

How do you prove beyond a reasonable doubt he wanted to harm or intimidate LEO?
Posted by EphesianArmor
Member since Mar 2025
973 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 5:19 pm to
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So your strongly against property records being made available online or being publicly available for people at all?

Why is the guy who posted it on fliers anymore guilty than the local assessors office?


That's some creative spin, Perfessor

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They need to make a case that his intent was to cause harassment.


That and worse; Like whether his intent was malicious incitement and conspiracy to (fill in the blank).
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
2625 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 5:32 pm to
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Already covered


Yes, by the 1st Amendment. He was prosecuted by the government and sent to jail, anyway.
Posted by Chancellor
BHam
Member since Oct 2017
2625 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 5:33 pm to
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You’re a lawyer


No. No, he’s not.
This post was edited on 5/4/25 at 5:34 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
452387 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 6:26 pm to
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Doxxing ICE agents by distributing their personal information on flyers could be considered dangerous and intimidating, depending on the context and intent. If the act was meant to harass, threaten, or incite harm, it could violate U.S. laws like 18 U.S.C. § 2261A (stalking) or 18 U.S.C. § 875 (threats), potentially leading to charges. Courts would look at factors like the doxxer’s intent, the content of the flyers, and the impact on the agents (e.g., fear for safety). Even if the info was publicly sourced, the act of distributing it to intimidate could still cross legal lines. Prosecutors might argue it endangers agents by exposing them to targeted harassment or violence.

You can’t say clearly protected by the 1A when arguments can be made backed by actual laws. I know you like to play devils advocate here but at least be truthful.


You're adding a bit more than what I posted.

If posting objective, truthful information with no editorializing can be construed to "intimidate" a public official, then the 1A doesn't exist anymore.

If the government can make a poster with "Person A works for ICE and lives at xxx st" (publicly available information) illegal, then anything can be made illegal. One of the points of the 1A is to ensure the citizenry keeps the government accountable. Permitting the government to claim objective facts without editorial comment can "impact the government agent" in a way to make them illegal means literally 2+2=4 can be declared illegal.

Now, if you want to expand my hypo and add things like editorializing or inciting language in addition to the facts, that's a different thing entirely.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
452387 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 6:28 pm to
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Yes, by the 1st Amendment. He was prosecuted by the government and sent to jail, anyway.

His situation is not comparable. My scenario involves truthful information. His does not. The comparisons end there. No further analysis is relevant.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/4/25 at 6:40 pm to
Irrelevant!
Posted by tigerfan 64
in the LP
Member since Sep 2016
5538 posts
Posted on 5/4/25 at 7:21 pm to
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These are feds, so it isn't a California state law.

The crime was committed in Ca.
The accused offender resides in CA.
The potential DHS/ICE raids were occurring in Ca.
The DHS/ICE agents probably reside in Ca.

Swing and a miss on your part as far as these actions violating Ca. statutes.
If it was a crime in Ca., against fed law enforcement, charge both ways.

P.S.- no one in California would prosecute these doxxers.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
3427 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 1:30 pm to
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If all he did was post fliers with truthful information


Depends on how he obtained that truthful but potentially private information within the government agencies who have a legitimate interest in protecting the names, identity, addresses etc. of government agents for secrecy in policing, as well as for the safety of the agents and their families. If he broke the law to obtain the information, he's not protected under the 1A.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
3427 posts
Posted on 5/5/25 at 1:33 pm to
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I don’t understand how the first amendment applies here


I swear SFP would defend somebody yelling fire in a crowded theater at this point


Whatever position is the opposite of Trump and Trump supporters' stance, he reflexively and aggressively takes that stance. His TDS is off the charts.
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