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re: CR with SAVE Act fails in House

Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:11 pm to
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
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28302 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:11 pm to
The SAVE Act was DOA as the Senate was going to strip it out and then pass the CR. Those who voted against it actually did you a favor.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
88032 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:11 pm to
RammerJammer Conservatives with another Huge W
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:12 pm to
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14 to be exact. I want to know who they are and why they voted no.

Because it was the smart thing to do.
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
5772 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:13 pm to
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More like party leadership sucking again. I’m not impressed, dishonorable Mike Johnson.


Why is it that Republicans put forward a bill that they know doesn't have 100% R support, but Democrats vote 99% together? Mary Landreau held out on Obamacare to get extra shite for Louisiana. Joe M gets to be the holdout for WV all the time. Why can't Rs play the game?
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
24535 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:15 pm to
So, unless I do not understand, then maybe enlighten me? I am not being rude, just curious. If the theory i that they vote yes for SAVE and CR, then it goes to Senate. The Senate pulls it out. The Bill returns to the House and it would not pass as a spending bill. So, what am I missing? Is there some archaic parliamentary procedure that does not allow for a vote back on the floor of the house?
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 8:17 pm
Posted by BHTiger
Charleston
Member since Dec 2017
7141 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:21 pm to
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Nancy Mace, South Carolina


Yall let those titties mesmerize you.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
21736 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:22 pm to
Lots of southern states in there....
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:29 pm to
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Make Biden, or Harris, submit a budget request and vote on a budget.

They did. It's like a $7.5T budget.

In response the Congress is supposed to craft separate appropriations bills for different areas of the budget. They never do, and that's why we get CR's and then an omnibus.

From usa.gov
Every year, the U.S. Congress begins work on a federal budget for the next fiscal year. The federal government’s fiscal year runs from October 1 of one calendar year through September 30 of the next.

Annual funding areas

The annual budget covers three spending areas:

Mandatory spending - funding for Social Security, Medicare, veterans benefits, and other spending required by law. This typically uses over half of all funding.
Discretionary spending - federal agency funding. Congress sets funding levels for these each year. This usually accounts for around a third of all funding.
Interest on the debt - this usually uses less than 10 percent of all funding.

Creating the U.S. federal budget

The budget planning begins a year before the budget is to go into effect.

Federal agencies create budget requests and submit them to the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB).

OMB refers to the agencies’ requests as it develops the budget proposal for the president.

The president submits the budget proposal to Congress early the next year.

Proposed funding is divided among 12 subcommittees, which hold hearings. Each is responsible for funding for different government functions such as defense spending or energy and water.

The House and Senate create their own budget resolutions, which must be negotiated and merged. Both houses must pass a single version of each funding bill.

Congress sends the approved funding bills to the president to sign or veto.

Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
32434 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:39 pm to
If Gaetz, Burchett and Mace voted against it, I’m against it.
Posted by Iron Lion
Sipsey
Member since Nov 2014
12949 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:41 pm to
I hate Mike Roger's but glad he voted against it
Posted by iamfrankreynolds
JHS
Member since Jul 2024
39 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 8:42 pm to
What a shite show.
Posted by FMtTXtiger
Member since Oct 2018
4567 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:00 pm to
Im trying to get my head around this as well, the senate can pull pieces out after it passes? I thought they had to reject and it go back to house.

If this was preplanned, why did so many Dems vote no?


either way i am all for shutting down the govt if it means not protecting elections.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
87065 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:14 pm to
That’s scary that there were only 14. That’s closer to passing than not
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
4136 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:17 pm to
[quote]Yall let those titties mesmerize you.[/quote

They’re spectacular and she did get Cheatle fired.
Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
8914 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:19 pm to
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Many voted against it because other than SAVE it was 100% funding and SAVE would be removed in the Senate


Exactly. This was a Trojan Horse that was never going to protect voting but would green light a shotload of deficit spending on handouts for illegals and warz
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:25 pm to
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So, unless I do not understand, then maybe enlighten me? I am not being rude, just curious. If the theory i that they vote yes for SAVE and CR, then it goes to Senate. The Senate pulls it out. The Bill returns to the House and it would not pass as a spending bill. So, what am I missing? Is there some archaic parliamentary procedure that does not allow for a vote back on the floor of the house?


Senate can sometimes go through Reconciliation to make some changes without having to get the House involved again. So yes there are some tricks, sometimes available. The talk with the SAVE Act thus far however, has been that Johnson will force the vote, send it to the Senate, knowing they won't vote for it - he's grandstanding - and then act like it's an emergency to get a budget passed and at the last second he'll send the CR back up to the Senate without SAVE Act.

A bill is supposed to pertain strictly to what it says it pertains to: if a bill says 'to paint the streets green' then its contents should only be related to that. But they include language in there like "and for other purposes" so people can then slap on other, unrelated stuff.

In this video, Andy Biggs discusses this stuff. The volume is rather low.
He talks about how the CR is just continuing the same exorbitant spending for six months.
He mentions how they have attached the SAVE Act to the CR.
The Act is riding along with the CR - the Senate has the ability to say YES we are passing the CR part but NO we are rejecting this SAVE Act that you sent with it. In that way, the CR + SAVE Act gets sent back to the House where Johnson will fold, of course, and send the CR alone back to the Senate and we get $2T more in debt and no SAVE Act and Johnson can say "I tried."
The leverage is to not pass the CR+SAVE Act and demand that the Senate pass the SAVE Act and then they'll get the CR.

Posted by GeauxGutsy
Member since Jul 2017
5556 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:45 pm to
Yep, but none of this matters. The govt won’t shut down, but even if so, many folks will get a free two week vacation and in the end everyone gets paid anyway. All smoke and mirrors.
Posted by YouKnowImRight
Member since Oct 2023
2227 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:53 pm to
Stupid stupid stupid.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
10613 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:57 pm to
Unitl they get completely called out we ain't getting any better in this country. In fact, we need to have a bill that passes as a "1 item bill". No more of this 1000 page bill that you have to pass to be able to see what you passed kinda thing.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
36640 posts
Posted on 9/18/24 at 10:54 pm to
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So, unless I do not understand, then maybe enlighten me? I am not being rude, just curious. If the theory i that they vote yes for SAVE and CR, then it goes to Senate. The Senate pulls it out. The Bill returns to the House and it would not pass as a spending bill. So, what am I missing? Is there some archaic parliamentary procedure that does not allow for a vote back on the floor of the house?


You aren't missing anything. The Republicans just pushed a bill that was killed by Republicans. If there was any modification it would have gone before a House vote. But in imaginary land these Republicans saved the country from a bill made by Republicans.
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