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re: CR from a farmers view
Posted on 12/20/24 at 2:05 pm to stout
Posted on 12/20/24 at 2:05 pm to stout
The only reason I think we need to subsidize farmers is that we need to make sure we grow our food in the USA as a national security measure. So in that way, I’m not all the way opposed to subsidies but I have serious reservations about them.
My first fear is Big Food. I have no idea what I’m eating even if it’s grown in the USA. In the end that bajillion dollars is just giving govt money to Big Food to do whatever weird Frankenstein shite they want to do. And I don’t like it.
The industry needs some overhaul, both from
a “health” standpoint and to break up control from massive corporations and to prevent foreign nations/interests from buying our farmland.
The food supply is as crucial to our sovereignty and independence as a nation as energy.
However, no business, even farming should be without risk. I think we should think of some better ways to help you Baws compete / survive / and advance doesn’t necessarily mean subsidies. If you want something to become more expensive - subsidize it.
All that said - there is no reason we have to solve this problem before January 5. I’d be totally fine on tabling the relief until the next Congress.
My first fear is Big Food. I have no idea what I’m eating even if it’s grown in the USA. In the end that bajillion dollars is just giving govt money to Big Food to do whatever weird Frankenstein shite they want to do. And I don’t like it.
The industry needs some overhaul, both from
a “health” standpoint and to break up control from massive corporations and to prevent foreign nations/interests from buying our farmland.
The food supply is as crucial to our sovereignty and independence as a nation as energy.
However, no business, even farming should be without risk. I think we should think of some better ways to help you Baws compete / survive / and advance doesn’t necessarily mean subsidies. If you want something to become more expensive - subsidize it.
All that said - there is no reason we have to solve this problem before January 5. I’d be totally fine on tabling the relief until the next Congress.
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Posted on 12/20/24 at 2:09 pm to DOLLARTREEBALLA
quote:
You gonna take your GMC Denali HD or your wife’s Yukon AT4 to meet me at sonic?
Im gonna be the guy with the huge penis in a 2011 f150. You can't miss it
So which Sonic is the knuckle checking going down at? I'm not in a fighting mood but placing a wager might be fun.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 2:23 pm to stout
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I was a home builder in 2008. I didn't get any help. Where was my bailout?
Not to be dismissive of home builders but you're comparing apples and oranges. Without grain and livestock producers, we will run out of food. Or else import all of it from our adversaries. I don't like either option.
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 12/20/24 at 2:35 pm to DOLLARTREEBALLA
quote:Sounds like it's coming.
Without some help from uncle Sam we will be out.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 2:37 pm to DOLLARTREEBALLA
quote:It's a shame futures couldn't stabilize those swings.
2022 we had 14 inches of rain in August which rotted alot of our crops that were ready for harvest.
2023 we had a drought with 30+ days with consecutive 100 degree days.
2024 made best crop of my life and lost more money than 22 and 23 combined.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 2:48 pm to DOLLARTREEBALLA
God bless the family farm.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 2:53 pm to stout
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yet they all have big beautiful homes on acreage and they and their wives all drive the latest and greatest.
Yeah when there's a 5000 square foot palace with a three car garage, two 3000sqft shop buildings, and the daily drivers are a brand new Sierra 3500 HD and an Escalade, it automatically gives me pause too.
But that's not all of them. I know plenty of Oklahoma farmers (mostly wheat, alfalfa, sorghum, etc.) who are most certainly the "budget" variety with older vehicles and modest homes. They have a savings and make decent coin, but I honestly think it's just a regional anecdotal thing. When you've lived through a LOT of lean times (and most of them are in their 50s, 60s and 70s so they definitely have), you know how to live lean, understanding that those times will come again and you'll be ok if you prepare and don't live above your average means.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 3:06 pm to DOLLARTREEBALLA
I’m all for tax money going to shore up food production, but most of the farmers around me live a lifestyle that is out of step with their abilities and their level of work, IMO.
I don’t know how we could pour billions into sustaining farming without just making all the farmers rich.
I’m not saying I’ve analyzed this thoroughly. I just want a reliable food supply, and if they are going to use our tax money to ensure adequate farming takes place, then I think the profitability of farming should take second place to the affordability of groceries.
I don’t know how we could pour billions into sustaining farming without just making all the farmers rich.
I’m not saying I’ve analyzed this thoroughly. I just want a reliable food supply, and if they are going to use our tax money to ensure adequate farming takes place, then I think the profitability of farming should take second place to the affordability of groceries.
Posted on 12/20/24 at 3:18 pm to DOLLARTREEBALLA
Everything the government gets involved in goes to shite. They give out subsidies to farmers, the cost of farming goes up and the product goes up. They give out student loans, college tuition goes up. They give out food stamps, groceries go up. They give out free housing, rent and home prices go up. They pay poor people's utilities, energy prices go up. Every instance the middle class gets fricked while the rich get richer and the poor stay poor.
This post was edited on 12/20/24 at 3:19 pm
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