re: Covid vaccine and its long term effects

quote:

---

How will a little piece of messenger RNA that is destroyed by your body almost immediately be the worst thing ever produced?

---

It isn't mRNA that is the problem. It is the adjuvants and other ingredients like the spike protein that are concerns.

Very few pro mRNA vaccine folks take the time to actually learn what all goes into a vadcine.

quote:

---

I want a proponent of this vaccine to explain more about the way it deals with spike proteins

---

The vaccine is an mRNA vaccine, which is relatively new. Instead of injecting coronavirus spike proteins into your body, this vaccine targets immune system cells and provides them with instructions (mRNA) to produce the spike proteins. Once a protein is produced, the instructions are coded to stop production. The spike protein is then pushed to the surface of the cell. Our immune system recognizes it is foreign to our body and begins to make antibodies to recognize and breakdown the spike proteins, just how it would with any other type of infection we would have. These spike proteins are specific to this coronavirus, but have nothing to do with what makes you ill; they're just identifiers on the viral envelope. The part of the virus that makes you sick is contained inside the envelope.

quote:

---

and show me the evidence that there aren't negative side effects for this mechanism.

---

The mRNA in the vaccine is coded to stop replication of this spike protein after a predetermined number (usually 1 but I'm not sure with this vaccine) of protein is made in the immune cell, so each immune cell that is effected by the vaccine will only make that number spike proteins. As with anything, there are outliers that will have a negative response to some part of a vaccine, but the mechanism is coded to deactivate. Once the spike protein is synthesized, the cell breaks down the mRNA and expels it. It can't reassemble once broken. Since it's a relatively new type of vaccine, there aren't decades of results to analyze. But mRNA creating proteins is a process that happens naturally in your body every moment of your life.


TL;DR - This vaccine tells your immune system to make the coronavirus spike proteins, and then your immune system creates antibodies that identify and degrade these proteins. It happens naturally in your body all the time.

Already received both doses

Very good explanation

quote:

---

TL;DR - This vaccine tells your immune system to make the coronavirus spike proteins, and then your immune system creates antibodies that identify and degrade these proteins. It happens naturally in your body all the time.

---

Now take a minute to read about autoantibody occurrences in Covid patients leading to embolism or worse. Then explain how this WON’T happen to you after being vaccinated.

People are gonna find any stupid asinine theory that supports what they believe. Have there been some adverse reactions to the vaccine? Sure, it’s brand new, and there’s the possibility of adverse reactions to any substance we consume, but to date, it’s been shown to be undeniably safe to the overwhelming majority of people who have gotten it. I get not wanting to get it, but using some sketchy data from some nut job’s YouTube channel or blog (probably the same ones rambling about all the Q fairytales) as the reason for not taking it is dumb. Adverse effects from vaccines typically manifest rather quickly so the logic of some shite happening 5-10 years from now is flawed. The ingredients have been used in other injections in the past.

quote:

---

Secondly, hav you ever heard of ADE?

---

quote:

---

Finally, have you ever heard of microbial treatments.

---

I'm an infectious diseases physician and have a masters degree in microbiology. Yeah, I've heard of them

This isnt the kiddie pool, friend

quote:

---

I'm an infectious diseases physician

---

quote:

---

So I guess you know it’s all about money then. The $69 billion vaccine market.

---

Everything is about money, and this fact has little bearing on whether any given product or service is safe and reliable. Besides, $69 billion is a drop in the bucket compared to the profits from hyperlipidemia, hypertension and diabetes medication. Insulin is far more lucrative and far more dangerous than any vaccine ever created, but nobody just shrugs off that glucose of 800 because of muh globalist pharmacy conspiracy. Anti-vax sentiment exists largely because there are no immediate and readily observable consequences for believing such nonsense. It's the same reason why some people reject evolution but nobody disputes gravity, one has immediate recognizable consequences to the individual and the other doesnt.

quote:

---

You never answered my question from the other night.

---

You have a bad habit of responding to evidence based responses, complete with links and references, with nothing but ad hominem attacks and blind pseudoscientific claims with no support. It became apparent I was wasting my time trying to reason with you and link information for your benefit, so I tapped out. You can consider that a victory if you like.

quote:

---

Oh yeah, in your medical professional opinion, are you really saying the mRNA treatment is a vaccine?

---

It meets every biochemical, medical and pharmaceutical definition of a vaccine so I'm not sure why I wouldn't. It has a unique mechanism among currently available vaccinations, but it's one of numerous mechanisms across all of vaccinology.