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re: Court grants Texas woman's request for emergency abortion in historic ruling

Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:37 am to
Posted by oogabooga68
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:37 am to
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It is a marvel to me how many OB/GYNs we have commenting on this board/thread.


Considering a good many OB/GYN's in America can no longer correctly define "woman", I'd say offhand remarks by randos on an Internet message board is just as good as the word of the "experts"...
Posted by VOR
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:42 am to
It wasn’t jjust her ability to have children. Her life was at risk.

Plus, the fetus had almost no chance of survival. The baby’s death after birth would have been agonizing. The government should allow doctor and patient to make these difficult decisions. The AG in Texas is a grandstanding tool.
This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 8:43 am
Posted by Steadyhands
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:43 am to
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everyone


Then why laws with full bans?


These one off cases for a justified abortion are far and few between. Add to it that there is clearly a work around when it is necessary which is what happened here. Once a fine precedent is established such as this case, future cases of similar issue will be simpler for processing.

What other option is there? It's more or less, just validating/justifying someone's need for an abortion. I'd bet this women is against abortion for a normal pregnancy and supports this process as well. It's what the majority of the people in Texas want and I see no issue with it. Other states may be different. It is in the states hands though, as it should be.
Posted by crewdepoo
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:44 am to
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I don't understand how the woman's ability to have children is at stake here. Did I miss something?
scientific knowledge
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:45 am to
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Her life was at risk.
The answer is no, it is not.
Posted by Steadyhands
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:47 am to
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I’m just sitting here wanting women to stop having abortions because they refused to be responsible. Nothing to do with medical complications.


This is my position and most conservatives position I believe. We're on board with cases like this where it is deemed as validated/justified by adequate personnel.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:47 am to
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scientific knowledge


Yes, let us look at it scientifically.

The woman is not at risk of child bearing. Abortion might fix that though. That is the science I know.
Posted by swolverine
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:50 am to
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Miss Cox

Doesn’t sound like it.
Posted by faraway
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:50 am to
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These laws are moving humanity backwards
roll eyes
Posted by armsdealer
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:51 am to
Ending a trisomy 18 pregnancy is the kindest thing you can do for that baby. If they survive past a week or two they will have a miserable existence suffering their entire life and require constant medical care for their entire short lives.
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:53 am to
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Cox is currently carrying a pregnancy with virtually no chance the baby -- who has trisomy 18 -- will survive to birth or long afterward.

The fact that this family is dealing with this trauma and then has to face the dehumanizing need to file a fricking lawsuit to resolve it is something else.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:55 am to
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The fact that this family is dealing with this trauma and then has to face the dehumanizing need to file a fricking lawsuit to resolve it is something else.


But you only care if the woman is dehumanized; men are turned into ATMs over babies and they have zero say in the matter. Or, maybe they really want the child and she wants to kill it, and they still have zero say.

Point is that it's a complicated issue and the left is extremely inconsistent on whose "rights" they want to protect.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 8:56 am to
dehumanizing. They were granted their wish. The horror.
Posted by rooster108bm
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:01 am to
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The fact that this family is dealing with this trauma and then has to face the dehumanizing need to file a fricking lawsuit to resolve it is something else.


She didn't have file shite. All she had to do was get in a car and drive to a state that allows abortions.
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:01 am to
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It wasn’t jjust her ability to have children. Her life was at risk.


Can you provide proof of this?

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Plus, the fetus had almost no chance of survival.


While I am not a pro-abortion person, I see no reason to force a woman to go full term with a baby that has no survival rate.

I had a friend (liberal woman actually) that went full term with a baby with 0% post birth survival. She held her daughter for 30 mins post birth, until she died in her arms. She has never been the same since and they have never had kids past that moment, although capable of it.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:03 am to
Go to another state and have the abortion if she just has to.

This isn't about an abortion.
Posted by mahdragonz
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:05 am to
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Go to another state and have the abortion if she just has to.

This isn't about an abortion.



What is it about?

Can you explain why a woman should have to go to another state - risking her health - when a court decided she can have an abortion in Texas?

Why does the state get a say? Does the government know better than her and her doctor?
Posted by Steadyhands
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:11 am to
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Can you explain why a woman should have to go to another state - risking her health - when a court decided she can have an abortion in Texas?

Why does the state get a say? Does the government know better than her and her doctor?


She can have the abortion in Texas.

The government knows it doesn't know better than her or her doctor, hence the ruling.
Posted by mahdragonz
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:15 am to
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She can have the abortion in Texas.

The government knows it doesn't know better than her or her doctor, hence the ruling.


Then why is the government - the AG of Texas - threatening that she and the doctors can be prosecuted?

How many other medical procedures is the AG threatening and putting out press releases?
Posted by ksayetiger
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Posted on 12/8/23 at 9:16 am to
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Ah, this fake talking point again.


You realize the democrats in the senate had a bill making it legal up to the moment of birth on the senate floor just a few months ago.

Post birth abortion is a very short step furthur
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