re: Countries starting to pull tariffs. It's almost as if Trump knows what he's doing :p

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the point of removing the tariff is to make our goods to them less expensive.

Your argument is to just keep our goods overinflated because no one is buying them.

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Yes, but his point is that even absent the tariffs they still won't be cheap enough to compete.

I'll ask you what I just asked above: We're really going to be able to manufacture something and ship it to China as cheap or cheaper than they can make it themselves? Even without tariffs the people they have making those products make about a 3rd of what our comparable workers make.

How are we going to compete with that? Regardless of tariffs.

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We're going to make something in America and ship it to the Chinese cheaper than they can make it and sell it to their own people?

How is that going to work?

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You're a bit of a tard.

With all due respect.

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The only way manufacturing is coming back here is if the tariffs escalate, if these countries all tell Trump to go 'eff himself, and he raises them even higher and companies bring production back here to avoid them.

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Except those countries cant tell Trump that.

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Trump is impacting certain groups money and power.

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As Buddy Roemer once said, "Follow the money." It's almost always about the money.

The corrupt powers-that-be are going ballistic right now because 1) they don't want to lose control over OUR MONEY, and 2) they don't want to be held accountable for what they've been doing with OUR MONEY.

The saddest part of all? They've manipulated the Street Stooges into thinking that what Trump is doing is going to be bad for them. As Hillary Clinton once said, "Our base is comprised of really stupid people."

The Tariff meltdown is my favorite.

Look how hard the melt is. Everything thinks they are an expert yet they cant explain anything

Just its a Tax on us or everything will cost 20% more!!

Even my facking wife is a Tariff expert now

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The saddest part of all? They've manipulated the Street Stooges into thinking that what Trump is doing is going to be bad for them. As Hillary Clinton once said, "Our base is comprised of really stupid people."

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Well it’s important to note that people will fight along side those people if it means their cushy job or the crumbs the powerbrokers give them continues.

Those street level people in DC and elsewhere are as invested in the worldview and trappings of the establishment as the people flying private to the Hampton’s.

And yes. Decades of agitprop has absolutely impacted the public’s perception of the world to the point of convincing a percentage that right is left and up is down.

For that group it’s going to take a lot of time to unwind that programming with honest and objective data and frankly some will never be able to accept it because their worldview is too closely wrapped up in their political ideology.

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That is the big question I have with all of this: the only way we could become a country that exports goods to many developed countries would be by making our people poorer and standard of living much lower. Essentially, the payroll expenditures would to drastically diminish for US manufacturing so our goods would have a real price difference with a nation providing first-world wages to their labor.

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You have the gist of any logical opposition to the tariffs right there.

But to avoid our 'pain in the pocket book' you would be condemning not only those destitute workers in Bangladesh to a dim future with no hope of their ability to earn a decent wage. And in addition, you are encouraging the dependence on that 'next-to-slave-labor' for our underprivileged consumers to dress in 'hi style' cheap clothing.

On the other hand, the offending countries can impose higher standards for their own workers by mandating better working conditions and take less pay-offs for their fat-class elites who control their economy.

In the meantime, the US can now explore an economic opportunity for our own lower echelon earners to actually compete with the now-not-so-cheap commodities and increase their own standard of living.

Our problem is that we have an inflated standard-of-living that can only be sustained by enslaving half the globe to produce cheap products via slave-labor. And we have to even subsidize that by continually turning on the $$$-printing press that drives inflation.

The latter is a terrible injustice to not only the half-world working slavishly to feed out bloated appetite, but is an also a condemnation for our own progeny to maintain the inflation machine.

At some point that idea will break down - and when it does the "great depression" of the 30's will look like a picnic in the park. I was born in that original 'great-depression' and I do not wish it on anyone else -- especially my own great-grandson.

A little pain now is worth it to change the trajectory of this inflation machine.

or else the whole world goes back to sustenance conditions.

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Well it’s important to note that people will fight along side those people if it means their cushy job or the crumbs the powerbrokers give them continues.

Those street level people in DC and elsewhere are as invested in the worldview and trappings of the establishment as the people flying private to the Hampton’s.

And yes. Decades of agitprop has absolutely impacted the public’s perception of the world to the point of convincing a percentage that right is left and up is down.

For that group it’s going to take a lot of time to unwind that programming with honest and objective data and frankly some will never be able to accept it because their worldview is too closely wrapped up in their political ideology.

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well stated - and irrefutable -

and obligatory

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obligatory Geaux Tigers

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Gonna take all the Tigers, the Bulldogs, the Tide and everyone else around here to get these problems fixed because the south is going to drive the solution politically or the whole thing is gonna collapse my friend.

Although I do see some reason for hope that someone like JD Vance coming out of the Midwest could bring the blue collar northern states with them.