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re: Conservatives: what's your beef with libertarianism?
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:53 am to troyt37
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:53 am to troyt37
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Libertarians have been making good the enemy of perfect since 1970.
this is very true
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Libertarian foreign policy is a joke. 109 years ago a person could plausibly believe we could leave the world to its own devices, and remain safe and secure as Americans, but not only is it not true in 2018, it is idiotic to think so.
well let's not ignore how much our foreign policy and military intervention directly caused the areas of conflict. you don't get to claim the world is too dangerous for libertarian policy and then ignore the cause of most of that danger (the very policies you're promoting)
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A constitutionally mandated requirement of the federal government. Why? I thought libertarians were all about the Constitution?
our Founders, the ones who wrote the Constitution, had a really harsh immigration policy
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Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:54 am to JayDeerTay84
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Limited federal government has nothing to do with states rights;
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:58 am to xrockfordf150x
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There’s no underlying moral truth to any particular view, just this is what I prefer versus others. For instance why ought we favor private property ownership?
this is kind of like religion and the development of moral values. societal trial and error, especially over the last 500 years or so, has shown us systems that work REALLY well. private property doesn't have to be "moral" if it creates better societal outcomes (just like how morality is really the function of societal trial and error and religion was just used as the proliferation method of the conclusions for thousands of years)
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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am i too late to chime in?
Never too late, SFP
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:01 am to kingbob
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Conservatives disagree with libertarians on immigration because they’re not conservative enough to push for ending the income tax and entitlement programs.
yes this goes back to the earlier point of "what have they really won?"
the GOP/conservative movement has been so consistently losing for decades upon decades that they're so far to the left that they fight tooth and nail for these programs. the policies of the modern GOP is almost an extreme-DEM position of the post-WWII era. so, again, what have they won, really? their team may win, but that team doesn't come close to reflecting their values
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:02 am to NIH
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This board gives a bad name to libertarians because of the disguised liberals and the 20 year old idiots who think the utmost libertarian priority is weed legalization
yeah this is a thing, too
i do love your war on the liberals in disguise. always cracks me up to see you ask them basic questions and watch them leave threads
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:02 am to Joshjrn
oh i just rmcc'd the frick out of this thread 
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:03 am to Houma Sapien
Libertarians are not realists. You have to have some form of government. You need government control over police, military, infrastructure (roads), etc. You think Cops are dirty now, just imagine a Police force for profit. (lol)
Also, most libertarians believe in 100% unrestricted immigration. They are completely aligned with the far-left in that regard.
Also, most libertarians believe in 100% unrestricted immigration. They are completely aligned with the far-left in that regard.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:04 am to AUstar
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:06 am to Houma Sapien
I consider myself conservative and
Nope... The Govt. Shouldn't be in the marriage business at all. That is a church-religous ceremony.
I dont think the Govt. Shohld regulate any of the above either.
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Conservatives talk about keeping the government out of your life, but they want the government controlling who can get married,
Nope... The Govt. Shouldn't be in the marriage business at all. That is a church-religous ceremony.
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what days of the week you can buy alcohol, what religion should be present in schools, and when and where you can or cant gamble.
I dont think the Govt. Shohld regulate any of the above either.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:08 am to Joshjrn
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:11 am to AUstar
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Also, most libertarians believe in 100% unrestricted immigration. They are completely aligned with the far-left in that regard.
100% unrestricted immigration with no welfare programs and stronger private property laws
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Libertarians are not realists
this is our reality
"restricted" immigration that lets tens of /hundredsthousands of illegal aliens into the country every year, granting their progeny citizenship, and robust welfare programs they are allowed to partake in
which
so yeah, criticize libertarians for a single plank of their overall ideology while claiming they ignore reality and actually ignoring reality
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:14 am to spacewrangler
Libertarians have the only moral compass of any of the parties. The platform has been consistent and not varied since I joined in '92.
I like how "small gov't conservatives" get behind things like tariffs, infrastructure spends, and increased military budgets.
I like how "small gov't conservatives" get behind things like tariffs, infrastructure spends, and increased military budgets.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:15 am to Aubie Spr96
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I like how "small gov't conservatives" get behind things like tariffs, infrastructure spends, and increased military budgets.
and this:
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:16 am to Joshjrn
I had lunch with my extended family last week. This was the conversation:
Me: 'Grandson, now that you're 11 years old don't you think it's time to look for a job and a place to stay. You don't want to be dependent on your parents forever, do ya?'
His eyes got big.
His dad: 'Grandpa has a good point there, son.'
His jaw dropped.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:18 am to Joshjrn
Why is it the Libertarian party puts forward such seemingly bad candidates for President?
Is it moneyed interest from the DNC/RNC to keep a third party alive but not viable?
Tinfoil hat off
Is it moneyed interest from the DNC/RNC to keep a third party alive but not viable?
Tinfoil hat off
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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so yeah, criticize libertarians for a single plank of their overall ideology while claiming they ignore reality and actually ignoring reality
I think this is what I find most galling about the derisive “ignoring reality” aspersions cast at libertarians. Military adventurism hasn’t worked at regime change or region stabilization? Keep pouring money into it; it will work this time! Narcotics prohibition fails just like alcohol prohibition before it? Keep pouring money into it; it will start working any moment! Social security Ponzi scheme hurtling towards a cliff? WHY DO YOU WANT GRANDMA TO DIE?!?
This post was edited on 8/5/18 at 10:22 am
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:27 am to goatmilker
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Why is it the Libertarian party puts forward such seemingly bad candidates for President?
Is it moneyed interest from the DNC/RNC to keep a third party alive but not viable?
The thought has previously occurred to me. However, I’m still inclined to operate under Hanlon’s Razor
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
It really the epitome of the modern left: dishonesty
Pretending to be a moderate or libertarian in their mind gives them credibility
Pretending to be a moderate or libertarian in their mind gives them credibility
Posted on 8/5/18 at 10:31 am to Joshjrn
Nice. Had to look up!
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