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Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:21 am to Homesick Tiger
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So which faith have you signed up for?
I go to an Episcopal Church.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:25 am to Strannix
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He has battled federal judges and castigated liberals, big government, gun control, Muslims, homosexuality and anything else that doesn't fit the evangelical mold.
Where does pedophilia fit in the evangelical mold?
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:26 am to The Spleen
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I go to an Episcopal Church.
always a good choice, a church created so a King could divorce his wives and then kill them because they would not bear him boys
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only kidding of course, my last girlfriend before meeting my wife was Episcopal, pretty cool group of people
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:27 am to The Spleen
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There are hundreds, if not thousands, of different faiths under the Christianity umbrella
This makes no sense. There is only ONE faith in Christianity. Those that believe Jesus is exactly who He said He was. He was God as man, died for all of our sins and rose from the grave.
Maybe you meant denominations instead of faiths.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 9:51 am to BaddestAndvari
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I worked for a Christian company for 3 years and we did our own Marketing research on things similar to the chart above. Every single research project we did - came back the exact same: Christianities close ties to Political agendas was driving away millennials by the millions.
I mean its not really rocket science is it. Millennial positions on homosexuality, premarital sex, drugs/alcohol, abortion(in some part) have just naturally shifted and, unfortunately, Christianity as it tends to manifest in politics runs completely counter to those positions.
Christianity has a lot of great messages that, if thrust to the forefront, could really help the brand. That is what I meant by "act more like Jesus". Instead of love, the political manifestation of Christianity seems to more often resemble hate.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 10:40 am to FooManChoo
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The heart of Christianity is forgiveness.
Yeah, this forum is a great example of that. If it is so important, why is it so rarely practiced? People who can't forgive, aren't true Christians. Right? They are fake-Christians, sorta like our news media? Sorry, but based on what I see here, I don't feel like I'm among any Christians and I mean not one.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 10:49 am to Big12fan
quote:A couple of things here.
Yeah, this forum is a great example of that. If it is so important, why is it so rarely practiced?
1) Humans (all humans) are sinful and do not always do what is right, even when they know better. This extends to forgiveness, too.
2) Christians are sinners, too, and even though we may know better, we still do what we aren't supposed to do and we don't do what we're supposed to do. We sin all the time. What separates the Christian from the non-Christian is the very thing we're talking about here: forgiveness. True Christians (from the Biblical perspective) repent of their sins and ask God for forgiveness for our sins, including our own lack of forgiveness of others.
quote:Not necessarily true. Like I just said, Christians are sinners, too, and we're more than capable (as you know) of acting inconstantly with our professed beliefs.
People who can't forgive, aren't true Christians. Right? They are fake-Christians, sorta like our news media?
While I personally believe there are a lot of professing Christians these days that don't have forgiveness from God for their sins (because their association with Christianity is based on tradition or a desire to belong to a "good" group, among other reasons), there are many who are true Christians (meaning, they have salvation from God through faith in Christ) that haven't been sanctified in that area yet.
quote:I understand why you would feel that way. A lot of Christians act inconsistently with their professed faith.
Sorry, but based on what I see here, I don't feel like I'm among any Christians and I mean not one.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 10:50 am to AUbused
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Christianity has a lot of great messages that, if thrust to the forefront, could really help the brand.
What are you trying to say here?
Posted on 11/20/17 at 10:51 am to Bass Tiger
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Wave your flag, God wins in the end.
Allah is great!
Posted on 11/20/17 at 10:54 am to Revelator
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What are you trying to say here?
Pew polling among other shows that Christianity has a big problem among young people that is in large part due to the issues I've described. When I say brand Im just speaking in generic terms as I would with any group/product trying to "sell" a message.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 10:57 am to FooManChoo
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If Moore did those things he was accused of and repented of them, why shouldn't Christians forgive him?
As soon as he shows any repentance for anything he's done, I'll gladly forgive him. He hasn't, and not just with these latest sexual assualt/harassment allegations.
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If he did not do those things, why shouldn't Christians rally around a man who has sacrificed his career to stand up for Christian values?
You clearly do not know who Roy Moore is.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 10:57 am to TigerB8
quote:This is exactly my position.
I think this is due, in part, to the dems refusing to take down their own filthy politicians when there is actually PROOF. They see the double standard and say "to heck with it". If they aren't playing fair, why should we abandon someone when there isn't any proof at this time.
I don't give a shite what a politician does in their private life. They can frick sheep and worship the devil, as long as they vote how I want.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:02 am to AUbused
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Pew polling among other shows that Christianity has a big problem among young people that is in large part due to the issues I've described. When I say brand Im just speaking in generic terms as I would with any group/product trying to "sell" a message.
But Christianity isn't about trying to sell a brand or say things that make it more attractive to people. It's about dying to self, it's about sacrifice, it's about taking up your cross daily, it's about living a selfless life, it's about following the commands of Jesus.
Those aren't things that will ever draw in people or attract anyone. And if Christianity has to pretend it's something it isn't to attract crowds, there is nothing to offer those who come.
Jesus himself never tried to soft sell what it would cost a person to follow him. It cost everything.
This post was edited on 11/20/17 at 11:06 am
Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:06 am to The Spleen
quote:What sin has he confessed that he hasn't repented of? From what I've seen, he's denied doing anything immoral.
As soon as he shows any repentance for anything he's done, I'll gladly forgive him. He hasn't, and not just with these latest sexual assualt/harassment allegations.
BTW, it's not immoral or sinful for a 30 year old to date or even marry a teenager. If Moore has sexually assaulted someone, that's a different story, but he has denied doing that as far as I've seen.
quote:Perhaps you'd like to educate me. I know that he was removed from his position as a judge because he refused to follow a higher court's ruling on removing the 10 commandments from a public space.
You clearly do not know who Roy Moore is.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:09 am to The Spleen
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I'll gladly forgive him
no one needs your forgiveness, thats that other brand of Christianity you're thinking about, where you get to be god
Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:15 am to Revelator
quote:Yes, Christianity is about a truth claim about the actual, historical work of Jesus to save people from their sins. In order for that to happen, people have to realize that they are sinners, which is not a very popular message these days (it never was).
Revelator
One reason why I believe Christianity to be true is that it is not the kind of religion that a normal human being would make up to gain followers; it's not a message that "sells", at least not Biblical Christianity. If you strip out everything spiritual and make it about doing good things to people, sure, I can see where people would like that, but that's secondary to the message of the cross which is foolish to those who are perishing.
Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:15 am to Revelator
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And if Christianity has to pretend it's something it isn't to attract crowds, there is nothing to offer those who come.
Thats not what Im trying to say at all, if you go back and read what I said earlier I mentioned that Christianity(specifically the gospels) have a lot of great messages to offer humanity. I truly believe that.
So when I say brand that does not necessarily imply that Christians have to falsify themselves. Im saying that instead of focusing on things like "homosexuals are an affront to god" and being so hardcore about abstinence only, no birth control, evolution etc they should shift focus. Love, forgiveness, charity.
The problem imo though is that a lot of the gospel, when taken at face value interpretation-wise, imo crosses more over with liberalism than traditional conservatism. Passivism and socialism to some extent. I think that creates a conundrum for christian conservatives, but thats another subject. Or course, this whole conversation depends on how one interprets the text. Turn the other cheek vs. the money lenders or whatever. There are plenty of folks who truly believe that Jesus would grab an AR and smoke a bunch of Muslims. To me that flies in the face of his teaching as I interpret it.
Anyway, im blathering now.
ETA: What I was getting at toward the end here is, since everything biblical is based on interpretation, the way forward is re-interpretation. There was a time when the bible would have "decreed" that a woman wearing a bikini be outcast from society. The words in the book didnt change. The interpretation did.
This post was edited on 11/20/17 at 11:23 am
Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:23 am to AUbused
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So when I say brand that does not necessarily imply that Christians have to falsify themselves. Im saying that instead of focusing on things like "homosexuals are an affront to god" and being so hardcore about abstinence only, no birth control, evolution etc they should shift focus. Love, forgiveness, charity.
so what you're basically saying is that you can pick and choose what you like and therefore there is no need for personal change, then it follows that Roy Moore is good to go, no need to change at all, because he can pick the parts that are good for himself. Senator elect RM
Posted on 11/20/17 at 11:24 am to AUbused
I think the key point is the purpose of Christ's incarnation and life on earth. Those on both sides who look at what He did as a blueprint for political action are missing the point; His kingdom wasn't of this earth.
His entire mission was to reveal the truth of salvation of the soul so that no matter your political position, if you trusted in His sacrifice, you could have eternal life. His message is so much greater than how to be nice to other people; it's about the glory of God in saving His people. Sin is a factor in this, which is why Jesus called people to repent. That's why Christians focus on homosexuality, abortion, sexual promiscuity, and the like, because we are called to be holy as He is holy.
To the Christian, calling someone to repent of their sins and look to Christ for forgiveness is the most loving thing you could possibly do to another person. Likewise, ignoring (or worse, accepting) the sins of others and letting them live their lives without concern for their souls is the most hateful thing a Christian can do, because a few years of sinful bliss is nothing compared to an eternity of suffering.
His entire mission was to reveal the truth of salvation of the soul so that no matter your political position, if you trusted in His sacrifice, you could have eternal life. His message is so much greater than how to be nice to other people; it's about the glory of God in saving His people. Sin is a factor in this, which is why Jesus called people to repent. That's why Christians focus on homosexuality, abortion, sexual promiscuity, and the like, because we are called to be holy as He is holy.
To the Christian, calling someone to repent of their sins and look to Christ for forgiveness is the most loving thing you could possibly do to another person. Likewise, ignoring (or worse, accepting) the sins of others and letting them live their lives without concern for their souls is the most hateful thing a Christian can do, because a few years of sinful bliss is nothing compared to an eternity of suffering.
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