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re: common core continues Holocaust Hoax Assignment
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:19 pm to Zach
Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:19 pm to Zach
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You're missing the point of the word 'hypothetical'. Could we not have a debate like this:
"Resolved: If the Confederacy had won the Civil War the U.S. would be in a better state today."
that would be the same as debating "If Hitler hadn't murdered millions of people would the U.S. have gotten involved?"...which is a hypothetical
not the same as "Did Hitler reeeaallly kill those people?"...which is what they are doing
one is a historical fact that is not debateable...the other is a hypothetical
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 1:21 pm
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Posted on 5/6/14 at 1:19 pm to Zach
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You're missing the point of the word 'hypothetical'.
You're missing the point of the word hypothetical
"Did the holocaust happen?" isn't a hypothetical
"What if the holocaust didn't happen" is and there is a big difference
Posted on 5/6/14 at 4:04 pm to Zach
quote:Yes.
Could we not have a debate like this:
"Resolved: If the Confederacy had won the Civil War the U.S. would be in a better state today."
But that really is not the actual analogy.
The analogy would be “an exercise asking students to question whether the Civil War happened." The analogy would be “an exercise asking students to question whether slavery actually happened."
Posted on 5/6/14 at 4:11 pm to YipSkiddlyDooo
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So the student who decides the holocaust was a fictitious event based on his/her research will fail the assignment?
Not under the assignment rules. That's not the goal. Thus nobody fails.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 4:50 pm to SammyTiger
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Whether something happened at all that is well documented, and only argued by a select hateful few is not the correct choice. This will only expose young minds to bullshite and hate.
How is denying historical events automatically assumed to be hateful? Many people deny the moon landing, and many people deny the Jewish involvement in Bolshevism and Soviet atrocities, yet none of these deniers are considered hateful.
The numbers in the Holocaust are without a doubt questionable, because the Almanac proves the impossibility of the total number reported in the aftermath. Likewise, many of the findings and stories presented at Nuremberg have already been discredited.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 5:40 pm to SavageOrangeJug
At Bitburg, Americans forced the Germans (including the mayor) to dig up mass graves and bury the bodies properly.
When Obama's relative liberated Auschwitz, (er, Dachau) Americans lined up 300+ SS and shot them in ranks like the Germans shot American POWs in the Battle of the Bulge.
History shouldn't be papered over because it's nasty. If you ever get a chance, go visit Dachau.
When Obama's relative liberated Auschwitz, (er, Dachau) Americans lined up 300+ SS and shot them in ranks like the Germans shot American POWs in the Battle of the Bulge.
History shouldn't be papered over because it's nasty. If you ever get a chance, go visit Dachau.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 5:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i could see this being a valuable exercise for upper-level classes for advanced/gifted students.
Why? Matters of irrefutable record and fact are actually not legitimate subjects of debate. I realize that the internet has obscured that, but it remains so.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 6:26 pm to darkhorse
This thread might be considered a micro study in itself on whether this exercise should be given generally or, exclusively.
I don't know but, for every thought provoking point I find five retarded ones bouncing around.
I don't know but, for every thought provoking point I find five retarded ones bouncing around.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 6:31 pm to NoNameNeeded
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How is denying historical events automatically assumed to be hateful? Many people deny the moon landing, and many people deny the Jewish involvement in Bolshevism and Soviet atrocities, yet none of these deniers are considered hateful.
It isn't inherently hateful, they are just hateful. They deny because they hate.
I think people deny the jews were completely responsible for it because statistically is it impossible, and historically that wasn't the case Obviously the vast majority of Bolsheviks in Russia were not jewish.
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The numbers in the Holocaust are without a doubt questionable, because the Almanac proves the impossibility of the total number reported in the aftermath. Likewise, many of the findings and stories presented at Nuremberg have already been discredited.
Questioning the number, is not denying the even. It is hard to get an exact number because there was not a solid consensu of jews at the time.
But there is no deny there was systematic extermination of jews in Europe by the nazis. The Nazi's wouldn't deny this.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 7:57 pm to Navytiger74
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I realize that the internet has obscured that,
Understatement!
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:04 pm to darkhorse
Beck has a new book out re Common Core. Takes it apart, piece by piece, footnoted with (controversial) quotes from proponents, and offering substantive rebuttals for all scenarios.
His stuff is always comprehensive. I might read it if time allows.
His stuff is always comprehensive. I might read it if time allows.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:14 pm to kingbob
quote:So the earth really was flat until about 500 B.C.
Exactly. It's just like 9/11, evolution, or AGW. There is consensus, the science is settled.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:22 pm to TX Tiger
he was being sarcastic
Posted on 5/6/14 at 8:35 pm to NoNameNeeded
quote:The International Red Cross put the death toll at 271,000.
The numbers in the Holocaust are without a doubt questionable
quote:You mean to tell me that there are people who lie during official testimony?
Likewise, many of the findings and stories presented at Nuremberg have already been discredited.
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:06 pm to darkhorse
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Hand expressed its concerns to Rialto Unified’s interim superintendent, Mohammad Z. Islam.
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The project was designed by district teachers and assigned during the eighth grade’s “Diary of Anne Frank” unit, according to district spokeswoman Syeda Jafri.
Anyone notice who is in charge of this school district?....
Posted on 5/6/14 at 9:18 pm to SammyTiger
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The Nazi's wouldn't deny this.
Except the Nazis tried at Nuremberg did deny this.
This post was edited on 5/6/14 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 5/6/14 at 11:21 pm to ChewyDante
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xcept the Nazis tried at Nuremberg did deny this.
No they did not.
quote:
OHLENDORF: In the year between June 1941 to June 1942 the Einsatzkommandos reported ninety thousand people liquidated.
OHLENDORF: The figures which I saw of other Einsatzgruppen are considerably larger.
OHLENDORF: I was present at two mass executions for purposes of inspection.
COL. AMEN: Were all victims, including the men, women, and children executed in the same manner?
OHLENDORF: Until the spring of 1942, yes. Then an order came from Himmler that in the future women and children were to be killed only in gas vans.
OHLENDORF: The actual purpose of these vans could not be seen from the outside. They looked like closed trucks, and were so constructed that at the start of the motor, gas was conducted into the van causing death in ten to fifteen minutes.
OHLENDORF: The vans were loaded with the victims and driven to the place of burial, which was usually the same as that used for the mass executions. The time needed for transportation was sufficient to insure the death of the victims.
COL. AMEN: [To the witness] Can you state whether the liquidation practices that you have described continued after 1942 and, if so, for how long a period oftime thereafter?
OHLENDORF: I don't think that the basic order was ever revoked.
THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): And in what category did you consider the children? For what reason were the children massacred?
OHLENDORF: The order was that the Jewish population should be totally exterminated.
THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Including the children?
Files show that these 4 death squads carried out over 1 million deaths by the end of 1943. He sir, did not deny any of this.
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DR. KAUFFMANN: Yes.
[Turning to the witness.] From 1940 to 1943, you were the Commander of the camp at Auschwitz. Is that true?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Is it furthermore correct that exclusively one man by the name of Eichmann had notes about this, the man who had the task of organizing and assembling these people?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Is it furthermore true that Eichmann stated to you that in Auschwitz a total sum of more than 2 million Jews had been destroyed?
HOESS: Yes.
DR. KAUFFMANN: Men, women, and children?
HOESS: Yes.
That just through 1943. It does not sound like he is denying anything here.....
quote:
Adolf Eichmann, the sinister figure who had charge of the extermination program, has estimated that the anti-Jewish activities resulted in the killing of 6 million Jews. Of these, 4 million were killed in extermination institutions, and 2 million were killed by Einsatzgruppen, mobile units of the Security Police and SD
From the paper work of Eichmann...
Posted on 5/7/14 at 12:37 am to darkhorse
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No they did not.
And what of Goering? Keitel? Jodl? Doenitz? Hess, who of course was a prisoner of the British for the majority of the war and not present, expressed his complete rejection of the claims as impossible to believe. So for the poster I responded to to simply suggest, "The Nazis wouldn't even argue it," is quite simply false. Even Speer proclaimed no knowledge of programs to exterminate Jews. Whether they were lying or not is another matter, but most did deny knowledge of such orders and events.
And Ohlendorf was a prosecution witness at that trial, not a defendant. His subsequent testimony at his future trial would not reflect the same story.
Though this is all moot, as it is quite clear my comment was illustrating that very many leading Nazi figures did in fact deny a plan of systematic extermination in response to a poster claiming otherwise.
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Files show that these 4 death squads carried out over 1 million deaths by the end of 1943. He sir, did not deny any of this.
Well I don't know enough about the specific questioning of Ohlendorf from the main Nuremberg Trial to his subsequent trial to fully address this, but perhaps you are more familiar with the transcripts. But I'm not convinced that Ohlendorf was in any position to be familiar with the number of deaths all of these units were responsible for since he was only a party to one. And since Ohlendorf gave contradictory testimony in his later trial, he himself appears to in fact be denying some of what you attribute him not to be.
And neither Hoess nor Eichmann were at Nuremberg, which I specifically mentioned. Thus they are irrelevant in response to my comment.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 1:09 am to ChewyDante
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And what of Goering? Keitel? Jodl? Doenitz? Hess, who of course was a prisoner of the British for the majority of the war and not present, expressed his complete rejection of the claims as impossible to believe. So for the poster I responded to to simply suggest, "The Nazis wouldn't even argue it," is quite simply false. Even Speer proclaimed no knowledge of programs to exterminate Jews. Whether they were lying or not is another matter, but most did deny knowledge of such orders and events.
I will restate that, they wouldn't have argued it until the noose was swinging over their head.
Posted on 5/7/14 at 1:37 am to SammyTiger
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I will restate that, they wouldn't have argued it until the noose was swinging over their head.
Well that's still an unsubstantiated claim and a worthless thing to say, it's just not as falsifiable as the previous statement.
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