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re: Cohen reportedly willing to give info about Trump
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:22 pm to supatigah
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:22 pm to supatigah
If you combed through the finances of every American like Mueller has done with everybody associated with Trump, and then you applied the federal money laundering statutes in Title 18 of the United States Code, I would imagine 3/4 of Americans could be charged with a crime. It's a bull shite charge used as a pretext for impeachment.
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Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:24 pm to Plx1776
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Future breaking news article headlines based on what groundbreaking shite cohen may say?
1. Breaking news: in 1997, Donald Trump may have used up all the toilet paper and didn't replace it. This is very concerning for our nation.
2. Breaking news: in 2005, Donald Trump may have farted in a crowded elevator, and blamed it on someone else. This is dire news for the USA.
3. Breaking news: in 1999, Donald Trump may have told a pizza hut delivery woman that she looked cute, and then proceded to give her a $50 tip. This is a very disturbing development.
I know this is satire but it's close to how this will actually turn out.
Unless Trump is guilty of some sort of malfeasance in office, then Cohen should keep his mouth shut. No one (should) care if Trump banged this or that chick.
He's a billionaire that was living a great life before becoming President, where he is now working probably 70+ hour weeks for free and will have to live under constant security the rest of his life.
Let him do his job and keep the BS drama out of it.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:26 pm to supatigah
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Mueller could spend years on that, sort of like WhiteWater
However, I think Mueller will probably run out of juice before he got to the end of that rainbow
This is a good point and why it's notable that Mueller handed this off to SDNY, essentially deputizing them. And yes, lots of rumors and also reporting. Just this morning, McClatchy published a story about 86 cash purchases of Trump properties in NY and FL from wealthy Russians and former Soviet republics, many through LLC's to conceal who was buying. Here's an example:
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Aleksandr Burman, a Ukrainian who engaged in a health care scheme that cost the federal government $26 million and was sentenced to a decade in prison, paid $725,000 cash for a condo at a Trump Tower I in Sunny Isles Beach, Fla. in 2009.
SDNY and/or Mueller can follow money like this.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:28 pm to SCLibertarian
Oh no doubt
The entire premise of the SC will be debunked and he will be shutdown long before Mueller could make a case against DJT on real estate deals pre-POTUS
Just the unpacking of cohen rolling over on his biggest client and the resulting privilege questions would take years of legal challenges to complete
Campaign finance stuff would be a faster track but DJT had to know that and that is why he stuck to his self funded campaign strategy.
The entire premise of the SC will be debunked and he will be shutdown long before Mueller could make a case against DJT on real estate deals pre-POTUS
Just the unpacking of cohen rolling over on his biggest client and the resulting privilege questions would take years of legal challenges to complete
Campaign finance stuff would be a faster track but DJT had to know that and that is why he stuck to his self funded campaign strategy.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:30 pm to supatigah
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real estate deals pre-POTUS
Who gives a shite?
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:30 pm to Covingtontiger77
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has hired a former high-ranking federal prosecutor to represent him
Sounds expensive and is actually quite common when mounting a defense AGAINST federal prosecution....at least for individuals that can afford it. This is not a sign that points towards cooperation. It's the opposite.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:33 pm to TigerDoc
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86 cash purchases of Trump properties in NY and FL from wealthy Russians and former Soviet republics, many through LLC's to conceal who was buying. Here's an example:
What exactly would be the issue?
Every developer in NYC would need to be investigated if your angle is laundering
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:35 pm to TigerDoc
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McClatchy published a story about 86 cash purchases of Trump properties in NY and FL from wealthy Russians and former Soviet republic
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Aleksandr Burman, a Ukrainian who engaged in a health care
Hmmmmm....
Why is Russia and Ukraine always mixed up and conflated?
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:36 pm to TigerDoc
This was always a possibility with DJT
However the Trump organization has many layers to protect the big guy so linking him directly to dirty dealings before taking office would be damn near impossible. If Cohen knows about any of that and they get around privilege then there could be some smoke. I doubt Cohen does, he seems like DJT’s personal fixer and not someone embedded in the trump organizations operations. They probably have a whole army of lawyers that do their corporate related stuff
The AG can shut down the SDNY if he chooses to. I doubt it happens and they will probably let the SDNY go down the rabbit hole all they want sort of like whitewater
However the Trump organization has many layers to protect the big guy so linking him directly to dirty dealings before taking office would be damn near impossible. If Cohen knows about any of that and they get around privilege then there could be some smoke. I doubt Cohen does, he seems like DJT’s personal fixer and not someone embedded in the trump organizations operations. They probably have a whole army of lawyers that do their corporate related stuff
The AG can shut down the SDNY if he chooses to. I doubt it happens and they will probably let the SDNY go down the rabbit hole all they want sort of like whitewater
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:41 pm to SDVTiger
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What exactly would be the issue?
Every developer in NYC would need to be investigated if your angle is laundering
It's a fair point that money laundering is a massive part of the economy and underprosecuted, but not every developer in NYC has deals subject to blackmail by foreign governments that may have implications for our national security and foreign policy. We know from the Stormy Daniels case that Trump will pay up to suppress a negative story.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:43 pm to TigerDoc
I hate to beat this horse....but wouldn't it be plausible that such a national security concern re blackmail would have been present with the clinton foundation as well? Not with russia, but with other foreign nations?
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:45 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Most definitely
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:46 pm to supatigah
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I doubt Cohen does, he seems like DJT’s personal fixer and not someone embedded in the trump organizations operations. They probably have a whole army of lawyers that do their corporate related stuff
This is very similar to the opinion of Timothy O'Brien, a reporter for Bloomberg who's covered Trump for years (and who Trump unsuccessfully sued for defamation when he didn't like the net worth O'Brien calculated for Trump). O'Brien thinks that a lawyer named Alan Weisselberg who's been with Trump since the 90's and another lawyer who's name escapes me who was with Trump as long but got named to a diplomatic post) are the ones with far better knowledge of crimes, if there are any.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:46 pm to TigerDoc
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but not every developer in NYC has deals subject to blackmail by foreign governments that may have implications for our national security and foreign policy.
So cash sales from 69 Condos in 2009 from a Real Estate Developer are now coming back to haunt him for blackmail as Prez?
You bring up Stormy as an example
. I mean at some point you just have to come into reality and stop with the TDSPosted on 6/19/18 at 10:48 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I hate to beat this horse....but wouldn't it be plausible that such a national security concern re blackmail would have been present with the clinton foundation as well? Not with russia, but with other foreign nations?
Yes, but to a lesser extent as all of those tax returns were made public - they were part of a charitable foundation. Clinton's worse corruption, IMO, was the huge stacks of cash she was paid directly by Wall Street, but that's domestic, not foreign influence peddling (and of course, not illegal as money laundering is).
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:50 pm to TigerDoc
WJC said they were $16mm in debt when they left the WH 
As IF
As IF
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:53 pm to SDVTiger
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o cash sales from 69 Condos in 2009 from a Real Estate Developer are now coming back to haunt him for blackmail as Prez?
You bring up Stormy as an example. I mean at some point you just have to come into reality and stop with the TDS
Don't get me wrong. He likely has multiple motivations with regard to Russia - he was trying to develop Trump Tower Moscow (and lying about it) during the campaign. He had dollar signs in his eyeballs. He also seems to admire how Putin runs Russia. But yeah, Russia knows about money laundering into Trump properties and that's a factor.
and lordy, there's maybe a pee tape.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:58 pm to GumboPot
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Hmmmmm....
Why is Russia and Ukraine always mixed up and conflated?
It's a confusing relationship between the countries. It teeters back and forth between the Russian and Western sphere and is obviously hotly contested. But there are so many connections in this story. Kilimnik's born Ukrainian but naturalized Russian and served in GRU. Manafort went to work for Yanukovych who's Ukrainian but who was propped up by Putin and Manafort had a separate deal ($10 million per year!) with Deripaska (a Russian) starting in 2005 to serve Putin's interests.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 10:59 pm to TigerDoc
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Don't get me wrong. He likely has multiple motivations with regard to Russia - he was trying to develop Trump Tower Moscow (and lying about it) during the campaign. He had dollar signs in his eyeballs. He also seems to admire how Putin runs Russia. But yeah, Russia knows about money laundering into Trump properties and that's a factor.
Wow
Posted on 6/19/18 at 11:00 pm to SDVTiger
Don't forget about the pee tape. ;-)
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