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Classical Liberal Perspective: Race and Taxation
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:53 am
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:53 am
Race
To be frank, I think that there are forms of institutional racism implemented by private parties. However the problem is not as bad as Progressives claim. The problem is subtle, but it is not nonexistent as conservatives believe either.
The only racism worth tackling are ones which put the life and economic well being of the individual in jeopardy.
ie NOT statues, literature, forms of media, private property
Taxes
TAXATION IS THEFT.
It only should be used as a means to gather funds for the defense and infrastructure of the nation.
I personally belief that some forms of welfare are beneficial for the function of society. But there should be strict limits on how much a person gets regarding welfare or a private corporate entity gets regarding federal funds.
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Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:55 am to volod
Honestly if the government would butt out and honor our God given right to own machine guns and missles and shite we could cut the defense budget down to nothing
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:56 am to volod
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, I think that there are forms of institutional racism implemented by private parties
Such as?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:01 am to volod
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To be frank, I think that there are forms of institutional racism implemented by private parties. However the problem is not as bad as Progressives claim. The problem is subtle, but it is not nonexistent as conservatives believe either.
Regarding institutional racism, I think almost all of it is just remnants of past policies. Particularly segregation and housing discrimination policies. Segregation deprived generations of blacks access to equal educational opportunities, while housing discrimination policies forced them into less desirable areas. The lack of educational opportunities stunted their upward mobility. Things have gotten better, but a lot of those issues are still there. I'd argue it's more than subtle.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:02 am to el Gaucho
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Honestly if the government would butt out and honor our God given right to own machine guns and missles and shite we could cut the defense budget down to nothing
Dilly Dilly
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:03 am to volod
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The problem is subtle, but it is not nonexistent as conservatives believe either.
I've never heard conservatives say racism amongst private parties is nonexistent. That's a strawman.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:04 am to el Gaucho
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Honestly if the government would butt out and honor our God given right to own machine guns and missles and shite we could cut the defense budget down to nothing
Welfare spending too!
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:16 am to volod
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The only racism worth tackling are ones which put the life and economic well being of the individual in jeopardy.
Agreed. You mean like BLM or racist media pushing "Hands up don't shoot"..liberal mayors and the like neutering police forces during "protests". Things like that?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:19 am to volod
I think using the term "institutional racism" when raw data shows a policy affects a particular group more than others is outdated.
If that purpose is to impact a particular group, I could understand it. If it's incidental, it's not institutional racism.
If I were to apply the term across the board as progressives use it, then income tax would be institutional racism toward white people.
If that purpose is to impact a particular group, I could understand it. If it's incidental, it's not institutional racism.
If I were to apply the term across the board as progressives use it, then income tax would be institutional racism toward white people.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:19 am to The Spleen
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Regarding institutional racism, I think almost all of it is just remnants of past policies. Particularly segregation and housing discrimination policies. Segregation deprived generations of blacks access to equal educational opportunities, while housing discrimination policies forced them into less desirable areas. The lack of educational opportunities stunted their upward mobility. Things have gotten better, but a lot of those issues are still there. I'd argue it's more than subtle.
I agree completely. In all honesty I think Blacks have assimilated well in society.
There will always be those who chose to be rebellious. But its important to discern those making efforts to do better vs those who use grievance to hide sloth.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:22 am to el Gaucho
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Honestly if the government would butt out and honor our God given right to own machine guns and missles and shite we could cut the defense budget down to nothing
This is obvious and nothing more than simple common sense. Some people just don't get it.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:25 am to Loserman
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Welfare spending too!
"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Deport him and you don't have to feed him anymore."
Bob
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:30 am to volod
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The only racism worth tackling are ones which put the life and economic well being of the individual in jeopardy.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:31 am to volod
Who would down vote those thoughts?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:31 am to volod
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To be frank, I think that there are forms of institutional racism implemented by private parties.
Of course there is. This is basic human nature at a very prime level.
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However the problem is not as bad as Progressives claim. The problem is subtle, but it is not nonexistent as conservatives believe either.
I don't think conservatives would dispute you on that.
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The only racism worth tackling are ones which put the life and economic well being of the individual in jeopardy.
None of it at the private level is worth tackling. Everyone should be equally judged under the law. Equal representation is not even necessary just equal judgment under the law.
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It only should be used as a means to gather funds for the defense and infrastructure of the nation.
Agreed on taxes
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I personally belief that some forms of welfare are beneficial for the function of society
Meh, history has proven welfare in the form it is today is not helpful to those receiving it. There should be stigma and public shame attached to it...then mostly only those who really need it will get it.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:32 am to volod
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I think that there are forms of institutional racism implemented by private parties.
Name them.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 10:46 am to Dale51
Here we go.
I feel that BLM has their heart in the right place, but the head in wrong one.
They need to use more peaceful and political methods in order to make progress. In not going to delve into it as it deserves another thread.
I meant we need to stop discrimination based on race (any race) for job applications.
Also. I think racial profiling should be replaced with another system. There are many innocent people who are frisked for no reason outside of their race.
My issue with politicians on both sides is that they try to cause more chaos blaming "them" (poor whites and blacks) only as means to keep their position or cash in on the tragedies.
I feel that BLM has their heart in the right place, but the head in wrong one.
They need to use more peaceful and political methods in order to make progress. In not going to delve into it as it deserves another thread.
I meant we need to stop discrimination based on race (any race) for job applications.
Also. I think racial profiling should be replaced with another system. There are many innocent people who are frisked for no reason outside of their race.
My issue with politicians on both sides is that they try to cause more chaos blaming "them" (poor whites and blacks) only as means to keep their position or cash in on the tragedies.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 10:50 am
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:00 am to volod
Define 'racism.'
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:04 am to Tigerlaff
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Name them.
Any of the white supremacist groups and affiliate organizations that support them.
Also, smaller businesses in more remote areas which specially exclude hiring minorities with appropriate qualifications or terminate them based on non-occupational / unproven reasons
Personally I wish these companies would publicly admit this and be honest. But with current politics that's unlikely.
**this is a slippery slope given the current right to work laws.
I agree that equal representation is not required.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:07 am to Zach
Zack
Webster's definition is accurate to my beliefs.
Webster's definition is accurate to my beliefs.
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: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism
3: racial prejudice or discrimination
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