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re: Claim - McDaniels found enough invalidated votes to overturn Cochran win
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:20 pm to teke184
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:20 pm to teke184
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If it's a precinct that went 95% for Cochran and has hundreds of invalid votes, then those votes would clearly come out of Cochran's column.
Good point. I suppose that would be the best way to play it. But it comes down to one of those "win the battle lose the war" arguments. The GOP (even in Miss) doesn't want those optics unless clear, intentional improprieties can be established. As I said, somewhere around 80% of blacks in Mississippi were probably eligible to vote in this election. The 20% who were committed enough to vote in the Dem primary are probably hardcore Dems who may have preferred to face a guy like McDaniels than a shoe-in like Thad.
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Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:20 pm to teke184
This mcdaniel fella seems like an aching pussy
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:20 pm to Wolfhound45
The Courts could never make such a final ruling in time. The evidence is mostly rumor-based. There would be appeals and the "evidence" at this point is less than meager according to all of the newspapers in Mississippi. In addition, his five major backing groups have all announced that they have accepted the result and have moved on - FreedomWorks, Club for Growth, the Senate Conservatives Fund, Tea Party Express and Tea Party Patriots. I am not convinced McDaniel will even proceed with such an effort. It's only been 48 hours and I think there's a good chance he will look at this over the weekend and realize he has nothing to gain in this situation. His supporters will go all in to encourage him to contest the result, but he will do what's best for himself in the long run.
I fully understand that my opinion runs counter to most on this Board. Please note neither of my posts attacks, insults, demeans or otherwise criticizes either his supporters or the candidate himself. My opinion is based upon gathering as much information as I have been able to. I stand by my "zero chance" conclusion concerning the likelihood or even possibility of a new runoff being ordered by the courts. Only time will determine the merit of my assessment.
I fully understand that my opinion runs counter to most on this Board. Please note neither of my posts attacks, insults, demeans or otherwise criticizes either his supporters or the candidate himself. My opinion is based upon gathering as much information as I have been able to. I stand by my "zero chance" conclusion concerning the likelihood or even possibility of a new runoff being ordered by the courts. Only time will determine the merit of my assessment.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:21 pm to Navytiger74
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The GOP (even in Miss) doesn't want those optics unless clear, intentional improprieties can be established.
I think that McDaniels can give less than a shite what the state or local GOP thinks at this moment, given that they sold out their own voters to get Cochran re-elected.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:21 pm to teke184
I have zero knowledge of election law in Ms. I don't know what the burden of proof is for setting aside a primary election. I'd assume you'd have to show enough "invalid" votes that would change the outcome. I also don't know what procedural steps you have to take before you can even file a court action. Any of our Ms. attorneys know?
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:24 pm to KeyserSoze999
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The ardent ones voting in mid terms are likely the same crossing over though.
Again, I'd just as well assume the opposite. Hardcore Dems (the kind who vote in mid-term primaries) may have liked the prospect of supporting a moderate Dem against a candidate that the NRSC/National GOP would have been reluctant to support. Hell, maybe Thad would have mixed it up. Mississippi was a Dem state within a 31 y/os lifetime. Now that's a lifetime in politics, but you never know what could have happened. This guy McDaniels probably has a list of liabilities going around the corner.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:28 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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I don't think it matters. If he runs as a write-in candidate, I think he wins the general.
Any write-in votes he would get would not be counted, unless the actual nominee listed on the ballot has withdrawn of passed away prior to Election Day.
(And yes, I am 100% certain of that.)
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:28 pm to ChewyDante
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Are you just saying this because you like Cochran more or do you honestly believe there is no legal case to be made?
I like Cochran more, and I honestly believe that the legal case will fizzle. I'll play your cynic and admit that I'm 100% sure that there are shenanigans in every election. I doubt they tipped the scale in this one.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:29 pm to NHTIGER
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NHTIGER
As always, a pleasure. Far and away my favorite poster on this board. Dry, analytical, no hyperbole.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:30 pm to Navytiger74
quote:Cochran is a POS. But I agree the legal case will fizzle
I like Cochran more, and I honestly believe that the legal case will fizzle.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:30 pm to NHTIGER
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Any write-in votes he would get would not be counted, unless the actual nominee listed on the ballot has withdrawn of passed away prior to Election Day. (And yes, I am 100% certain of that.)
Explain that to me. What are Miss' requirements for a 3rd-party candidate to be counted as valid on the ballot. I could look it up, but I'm drinking and reading short stories.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:34 pm to Navytiger74
I don't think McDaniel can run as an Independent or mount a write in campaign because apparently Mississippi has a "sore loser" law that disallows a candidate defeated in his party's primary to run on another ticket in the general election.
I've seen some of my more, um, "rabid" friends from Mississippi promoting McDaniel's wife as an independent candidate for the general.
I mean, she IS a former Miss Mississippi.
I've seen some of my more, um, "rabid" friends from Mississippi promoting McDaniel's wife as an independent candidate for the general.
I mean, she IS a former Miss Mississippi.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:36 pm to BamaChick
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I don't think McDaniel can run as an Independent or mount a write in campaign because apparently Mississippi has a "sore loser" law that disallows a candidate defeated in his party's primary to run on another ticket in the general election.
So a write-in candidate can be viable as long as he didn't run and lose in one of the major-party primaries.
Clear enough.
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she IS a former Miss Mississippi.
Well he may be a douche, but I bet his wife is smokin'.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:36 pm to Navytiger74
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Explain that to me. What are Miss' requirements for a 3rd-party candidate to be counted as valid on the ballot. I could look it up, but I'm drinking and reading short stories.
Fair enough of a request. I had it pulled up yesterday, and will take the time now to find it again.
Found it quicker than I expected:
"Write in? After runoff, the answer is, nope"
" For those Chris McDaniel supporters hoping their candidate will mount a write-in challenge after his loss to Sen. Thad Cochran in Tuesday's runoff, there is a legal term for such a possibility: Not Happening. Here are some pertinent sections of election law and attorney general opinions that can be found on the secretary of state's website:
ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS
A write-in candidate is appropriate only when one has qualified as a candidate for a particular office and subsequently dies, resigns, withdraws, or is removed as a candidate. Hatcher, Mar. 23, 2001, A.G. Op. #01-0163."
LINK
This post was edited on 6/26/14 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:39 pm to NHTIGER
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Fair enough of a request. I had it pulled up yesterday, and will take the time now to find it again.
I think Bamachick covered it. He can't be a write-in because he already ran and lost. A Joe-blow off the street can run, but not a sore loser.
I like it.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:40 pm to Navytiger74
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. A Joe-blow off the street can run, but not a sore loser.
No.
I found it and posted it above. No one can run as a write-in candidate in MS. in Nov.
e/t/a well, they can RUN, but the votes won't be counted.
This post was edited on 6/26/14 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:40 pm to Navytiger74
She's alright.
But she dresses her kids like Scottish golf caddies.
But she dresses her kids like Scottish golf caddies.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:43 pm to Navytiger74
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I don't have much stomach for incendiary rabble-rousers masquerading as would-be statesmen.
Hmmmph. Sounds like you just described Obama. The 'rabble rouser' that the Tea Party is trying to rouse...while the "courtly men"/RINOS reach across the isle.
Apparently, there is no law or no sense of moral conscience in breaking a law...if done for the promotion of one's chosen ideology. For some anyway. Courtly men. I saw movies of Hitler playing with the dogs and kids.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:44 pm to NHTIGER
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No. I found it and posted it above. No one can run as a write-in candidate in MS. in Nov. e/t/a well, they can RUN, but the votes won't be counted.
Rgr. Thanks for the legwork, NH. So minus a successful challenge, McDaniels is done for this cycle.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 5:49 pm to Navytiger74
Yeah. He can't run as an independent because of the sore loser law and Mississippi doesn't allow any write-ins for the general elections unless one of the major party candidates die.
The folks I've seen pushing McDaniel's wife as a write-in aren't exactly "high information" voters.
The folks I've seen pushing McDaniel's wife as a write-in aren't exactly "high information" voters.
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