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re: Church of England Priests Say Premarital, Gay Sex Not Immoral

Posted on 9/1/23 at 10:48 am to
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 9/1/23 at 10:48 am to
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I don't recall quantifying how inversely related they are.


If atheists are conjuring up some moral system that they pretend has meaning it's not inversely related at all. No quantifying needed.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:03 am to
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If atheists are conjuring up some moral system that they pretend has meaning


They find meaning in material things and existential bullshite which is why its impossible for the two sides to even begin to understand each other.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28181 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:20 am to
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If atheists are conjuring up some moral system that they pretend has meaning it's not inversely related at all. No quantifying needed.


The only person here pretending is you. You cannot read minds, and cannot rationally say that atheists are "pretending".

Inversely related, indeed.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28192 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:31 am to
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The only person here pretending is you. You cannot read minds, and cannot rationally say that atheists are "pretending".


Are you suggesting that they follow an arbitrary moral code that has no meaning to them? Because that doesn't sound very rational either.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28181 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:38 am to
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Are you suggesting that they follow an arbitrary moral code that has no meaning to them?


No.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14684 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:54 am to
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Infallible doctrine =/= infallible people. The Church of England isn’t even Christian anymore.


The doctrine of the Catholic Church is infallible? No. Sorry.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 9/1/23 at 12:09 pm to
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Are you suggesting that they follow an arbitrary moral code that has no meaning to them?


Most tend to be humanists. Its the philosophy that spun modern progressivism.

I find more honest people to be agnostic instead of atheists. Atheists always tend to be militant and angry.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28181 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 12:19 pm to
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Most tend to be humanists. Its the philosophy that spun modern progressivism.


I'd say humanists are more caught up in progressivism rather than the source for it.

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I find more honest people to be agnostic instead of atheists. Atheists always tend to be militant and angry.


The definitions of atheist and agnostic vary person to person.

If you think that atheism = belief that there are no god or gods than most "famous atheists" cease to be atheists. Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, etc. express strong doubt, but do not claim there are no gods.

To me, atheism means someone who lacks a belief in god.

A = without (think asexual).
theism = belief in god.
Atheism = without belief in god.

But most people use it describe people who are sure there are no gods, then use that label and place it on people who claim no such thing.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28192 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 12:28 pm to
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Most tend to be humanists


Also not a particularly rational (by their definition) outlook if one believes in a materialistic universe.
Posted by Guntoter1
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2020
1759 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 12:32 pm to
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I am still waiting for one of our Biblical scholars to cite the Biblical language which prohibits (or even condemns) premarital sex? Not broad, general, subjective statements about "sexual morality." A specific rejection of premarital sex. I think I will be waiting for a very, very long time.


Jesus left a church behind to teach the world how to follow him.
Not a book.
The church has always taught that any sex outside of marriage is sinful.
Posted by G&P
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2013
2431 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 12:34 pm to
Amazing how accurate Revelation is of the last days.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 12:39 pm to
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Also not a particularly rational (by their definition) outlook if one believes in a materialistic universe.


Yeah its laughable and childish foolishness.

You can not believe in a god and still be a decent person, in my views. But following existential meanderings is the path of a boring lost soul desperately seeking meaning in things that have no meaning..
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
6438 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 8:38 pm to
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The Anglicans and the Episcopalians aren’t Christians.

To be fair, there are Episcopal/Anglican groups which have separated themselves from the mainline Episcopal denominations that have abandoned traditional Christianity for a heretical pseudo- Christianity. They subscribe to and uphold the ancient Faith in belief and practice.

As I’ve said before, there’s a pretty large number of us who’ve remained faithful to God and not bent our knees to Ba’al.
Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
22476 posts
Posted on 9/1/23 at 8:43 pm to
Yeah. Paul coined a very specific term here.
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