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re: Christians who somehow thought it wasn’t Christianlike to vote for Trump
Posted on 9/8/25 at 5:31 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 9/8/25 at 5:31 pm to FooManChoo
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As a Protestant, I believe there is one tree (one true Church) with many branches, some more pure and some less pure, but all still part of the same tree
So what you believe is our Lord said the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church but somehow He was just being hyperbolic and what He actually meant was His Church was in hiding and delusion until the Reformation 1500 years later?
Mental gymnastics = broken souls.
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Posted on 9/8/25 at 5:35 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
I'm curious why there doesn't seem to be as much open division between the EOC and RCC supporters these days
There is not “open division” because the communicants of the Holy Mysteries of the EOC, RCC and OOC are not far apart in much…our main issues are with Papal infallibility and centuries misunderstandings pertaining to the Filioque.
The EOC and OOC are closer to full communion for the 1st time since the Council of Chalcedon.
It’s the Protestant sects that are spinning off into LGBQTism, social “justice” and other heretical teachings.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:30 pm to TheDeerHunter
quote:Augustine and John Chrysostom to start with, but I'm not interested in debating the ECFs exclusively since it doesn't matter to me if they had a fully developed view of it or not, as the Scriptures clearly teach it.
There have been many heretics throughout Church history - hence the reason Ecumenical Councils were convened - so it would be interesting to hear what Church Fathers you believe agreed with your view of Sola Scriptura.
quote:Neither. I believe the bread is bread and the wine is wine, but due to the closeness to Christ spiritually, they can rightly be called His body and His blood. I believe in Christ's real spiritual presence, rather than His real localized presence. His body is in Heaven, after all.
Do you believe the Eucharist is truly the body and blood of Jesus Christ and not symbolism?
quote:There are a lot of RCCs on this site. I'm speaking about both. You might think the EOC is the only true church, but you aren't the only one who claims that.
Again…you throw in the RCC - which did not exist until their bishop broke in schism from the four bishops in the East. I will assume your ignorance re: existent canons of the Church is by choice as they’re easy to locate with Google
quote:It's not an innovation, but the clear teaching of Scripture, as I mentioned. Those who want the Church (whether EOC or RCC) to have primacy of authority always say its an innovation because they can't believe that their traditions could be wrong (in fact, it's impossible, according to their traditions). That's the problem with raising up fallible institutions to the same level as the very word of God.
SOLA SCRIPTURA is a patent innovation of heretics and is a logical fallacy in that its claims of sole authority, despite 1500 years of Church history and Tradition which never taught this,
Your definition of sola scriptura is wrong, though. The claim isn't that the Bible is the only authority for the Christian, but that it's the only infallible authority for the Christian. That's a big difference. I'm Presbyterian and I recognize the authority of the Presbyterian government that I've submitted myself to. I recognize that there are civil authorities and family authorities and church authorities, and that all authority is given by God. The issue is with ultimate authority.
This post was edited on 9/8/25 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:32 pm to TheDeerHunter
quote:Not at all. I believe Christ's Church has existed in greater and lesser purity since He founded it. The Reformation was just that: a reformation of the Church. It wasn't a re-institution, or a re-creation.
So what you believe is our Lord said the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church but somehow He was just being hyperbolic and what He actually meant was His Church was in hiding and delusion until the Reformation 1500 years later?
quote:You really should understand what you're responding to before you insult it.
Mental gymnastics = broken souls.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:34 pm to TheDeerHunter
quote:Does the EOC and the RCC still hold each other as heretics? Does the EOC view the RCC as a true branch of the Church? If not, then you should probably try not to sugarcoat the relationship.
There is not “open division” because the communicants of the Holy Mysteries of the EOC, RCC and OOC are not far apart in much…our main issues are with Papal infallibility and centuries misunderstandings pertaining to the Filioque.
quote:OK.
The EOC and OOC are closer to full communion for the 1st time since the Council of Chalcedon.
quote:There are certainly some Protestant sects that are going that direction, but the RCC and EOC have ceased to be true branches of Christ's Church long ago.
It’s the Protestant sects that are spinning off into LGBQTism, social “justice” and other heretical teachings.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:35 pm to FooManChoo
Foo...you think the thief on the cross that Jesus saved had any concept about the theology of salvation?
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:36 pm to Canon951
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Ephesians 1 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
What is Paul saying here?
Paul is assuring the Ephesians that their salvation is secure because of their belief in Christ. After hearing the gospel and responding with genuine faith, they were sealed with the Holy Spirit, God’s pledge that they belong to Him. The word pisteuo (believed) means more than intellectual acknowledgment. It implies entrusting yourself fully to Christ in loyalty and reliance, This is why James says faith without works is dead, since true faith always produces transformation.
The thief on the cross is often used to suggest that a simple confession is all that is needed for salvation, but that oversimplifies Scripture. Jesus knew the sincerity of his heart, and his faith was genuine and transformative, the kind that, had he lived longer, would have reoriented his entire life. Looking at the Bible as a whole, we see that saving faith is always portrayed as enduring, life-changing trust in God, not just an isolated verbal acknowledgment.
Paul’s point is that salvation begins with hearing the gospel, believing, and placing trust in Christ. It is confirmed by the Spirit’s sealing, pointing forward to the full inheritance of redemption. The Spirit empowers believers to live faithfully now while guaranteeing the final completion to come, showing that our salvation is secure and rests in God’s power.
While this verse emphasizes the certainty and security of salvation, other passages call believers to persevere and remain faithful (Matthew 24:13, Hebrews 3:14). This shows that genuine faith is expected to endure throughout a believer’s life, providing evidence of the covenant relationship.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:37 pm to TheDeerHunter
Jay Dyer is in the house! Orthodox and Protestants will never fully agree because their foundational assumptions are different. The Orthodox place their ultimate authority in the apostolic traditions of the Church alongside Scripture, while Protestants hold to sola Scriptura, believing that Scripture alone is the final authority. Related to this, the Orthodox view the Church as having given form to the canon of Scripture, while Protestants see the canon as something revealed to the Church rather than created by it. Because of these fundamentally different starting points, debates between the two often end up talking past each other. Luckily, both as a whole confess Christ and His sacrifice for sins, so one day we will know who was right 
Posted on 9/8/25 at 8:41 pm to FooManChoo
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There are certainly some Protestant sects that are going that direction, but the RCC and EOC have ceased to be true branches of Christ's Church long ago.
Well to be fair there are like 20,000 different Protestant denominations, so it’s hard to keep up with all of you goofy heretics.
quote:
but the RCC and EOC have ceased to be true branches of Christ's Church long ago.
Please point out when the Orthodox Church “ceased to be” a “true branch”? Actually, anything you say at this point is just heretical tripe. Your personal exegesis is just that and now you know someone on here will call you out on your twisted theology.
This post was edited on 9/8/25 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 9/8/25 at 9:50 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Not at all. I believe Christ's Church has existed in greater and lesser purity since He founded it.
Imagine the mental gymnastics
one must do to on one hand
say Christ’s Church - which he called His own Body in the Gospels -
has existed in “lesser purity” while also championing infallible Scriptures canonized
and collated by the same Church you accused of being of “lesser purity”.
Look dude, we can go back and forth till Christ returns and nothing will change the other’s beliefs.
Either the Holy Orthodox Church is the fullness of the Faith as once given and handed down by the Apostles or it is not.
Protestantism is a mix-mash of
innovating heresies with confusing canons and creeds that split off from the RCC which split off from the EOC.
Lord have mercy and God bless
you on your journey to find the True Faith and the True Light.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:40 pm to BarnHater
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There’s never been a more Christian president than Trump. He puts God above all else.
Remember that time he was asked what his favorite bible verse was is an interview, and he couldn’t name a single one?
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:44 pm to TheDeerHunter
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Look dude, we can go back and forth till Christ returns and nothing will change the other’s beliefs.
You are arguing with the mentally deficient and morally bankrupt.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:51 pm to TN Tygah
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Remember that time he was asked what his favorite bible verse was is an interview, and he couldn’t name a single one?
Remember just the other day when he had a 24 hour fundraiser to grift money out of useful idiots to help him get to heaven?
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:52 pm to Powerman
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Remember just the other day when he had a 24 hour fundraiser to grift money out of useful idiots to help him get to heaven?
How much did he get? Don’t be scared to be specific.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 10:55 pm to BBONDS25
quote:
How much did he get?
You're always asking all the wrong stupid questions
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:14 pm to Powerman
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You're always asking all the wrong stupid questions
asking you to substantiate your claim…which you clearly can’t do is stupid? That’s what I thought. 
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:15 pm to BBONDS25
How much money he raised is irrelevant
The fact that he even thought that would be a useful fundraising grift is the real hilarity
The fact that he even thought that would be a useful fundraising grift is the real hilarity
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:19 pm to FooManChoo
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If you believe your works contribute to your salvation, you are not “Christian”, except possibly in name only.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:23 pm to 756
quote:Not at all. All he knew was that Jesus was his savior. That’s all one needs to know, really: that they are a sinner in need of salvation, and that Jesus is the only one who can provide it.
Foo...you think the thief on the cross that Jesus saved had any concept about the theology of salvation?
I don’t think the thief on the cross was trying to save himself.
Posted on 9/8/25 at 11:34 pm to TheDeerHunter
quote:I’d say it was probably at the Council of Jerusalem where the EOC rejected several doctrines from the Reformation and solidified a works-righteousness approach to the gospel.
Please point out when the Orthodox Church “ceased to be” a “true branch”
That was their version of the Council of Trent.
quote:There are plenty here who disagree with me, but most do a lot better than just screaming “heretic” in response to everything I say.
Your personal exegesis is just that and now you know someone on here will call you out on your twisted theology.
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