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re: Chinese transformers in U.S. power grid have remote backdoor shutoff switches

Posted on 4/15/25 at 7:52 pm to
Posted by sabanisarustedspoke
Member since Jan 2007
5431 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 7:52 pm to
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I have my doubts. Most of this equipment has restricted and closely monitored connections.


Oh thank god. You have your doubts, I feel much better...
Posted by Unobtanium
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
1819 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 7:57 pm to
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massive power transformers do not have switches internally.


You are correct, but any transformer this size will have an overpressure trip, a Bucholz relay, etc. that connects to the switchgear. Infiltrate one of these devices and the protective controls and breakers do the rest.

I would not put this past our red friends.
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
9100 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 8:04 pm to
In that sense, yes, any microprocessor relay could have a cellular radio capable of being remote controlled.

My thought was if you're spending big dollars on a transformer, a high quality Schweitzer rely system isn't that much. I would not ever want to use a Chinese protection relay.


I suppose it's possible to have a neutral disconnect contactor on a WYE wound secondary. Being able to trip it could cause the transformer in an isolated system to produce some wacky L-G voltages.
Posted by Cajun67
Watson, LA
Member since Jul 2021
375 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 8:11 pm to
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The circuit breaker is controlled via contacts, relays, or remote hand switches to open or close.
when first saw thread open began thinking about possible methods.

first thought is controls (ge, abb, siemens, woodward, sel, eaton) sf6 breaker controls could all be forced to trip on false flag power conditions. ie unbalance amperage (hate word current), unbalance voltage, frequency all power elements measured by their appropriate inputs but software/firmware could override the true measurement. this happen incoordination at every substation with infected controls that would start rolling blackouts.
this could take engineering investigations awhile to figure out problem allowing to repeat after every attempt to reclose.

second weak spot is any goab forced to open under load could fry those contact bars that would take a long time to source parts and make repairs

third thought is all power generation sources, prime mover source fake out actual speed thus forcing more speed till she flys apart (yes mechanical trip valve should save the day but when did anybody actually tempt fate they work in fear of run away) or all those renewables based on igbts that could be forced to short the clearing amperage demand would have to come from spinning reserves.

This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 8:22 pm
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
39542 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 8:17 pm to
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I would be way more worried about them hacking a utility with shitty security and hitting the disco switch on all the meters.


Agreed.

How many Chinese made their way here under Biden? 100k? More?

Still, that just means that China has two options, not one.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
86371 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 8:20 pm to
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I suppose it's possible to have a neutral disconnect contactor on a WYE wound secondary. Being able to trip it could cause the transformer in an isolated system to produce some wacky L-G voltages.


I feel like you’ve been waiting for the perfect opportunity to drop some electrical knowledge and you found it
Posted by Cajun67
Watson, LA
Member since Jul 2021
375 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 8:27 pm to
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Schweitzer rely system
what sel, you forget they are probably the biggest employer of techy slant eyes
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 8:33 pm
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
36186 posts
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:02 pm to
Spoken about on Shawn Ryan awhile back
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
9100 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:05 am to
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I feel like you’ve been waiting for the perfect opportunity to drop some electrical knowledge and you found it


Well, my thoughts on the civil war get mixed reviews, so, maybe this was the crack in the door to showcase some knowledge
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
9100 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:07 am to
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what sel, you forget they are probably the biggest employer of techy slant eyes


I haven't followed them in recent years, but they are an employee owned company, and iirc, they manufactured their relays domestically.

The make up of the ethnicity of their employees, I don't know.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
86874 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:09 am to
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showcase some knowledge


That would be a first
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
9100 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:09 am to
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Cajun67


Everything you said, I agree with. I'm just trying to place this secret switch that is built into the unit that could disable a massive transformer.
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
17832 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:38 am to
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If the Chinese cut off transformers in our grid that would be a direct declaration of war and they won’t do that.


Your assuming that we would know or be able to prove China was responsible. If any of this is true, I'm sure China understands how to execute this without leaving proof they are responsible.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
24517 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:39 am to
Shawn Ryan has been sounding this alarm for awhile.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 7:41 am
Posted by Cajun67
Watson, LA
Member since Jul 2021
375 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:57 am to
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Everything you said, I agree with. I'm just trying to place this secret switch that is built into the unit that could disable a massive transformer.
non i know of directly only ancillary components other thing forgot which i believe is mostly all made in china is the gas analyzer that accompanies these beast. only thing internal would be the online tap changer but they usually operate all 3 phases at once but drastically changing that setting could turn transformer into a rocket ship !
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 8:05 am
Posted by FriedEggBowL
MS
Member since Nov 2021
1010 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:01 am to
largest transformer manufacturer in the world is in MS. Howard Industries. Should be buying American transformers
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
8596 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:40 am to
"Transformers! Chicoms in disguise."
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
17608 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:49 am to
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If they did (they don't), they would not dare be used.

Even if they do have this feature, we can turn China's lights off just as easily.
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
17832 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:07 am to
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Even if they do have this feature, we can turn China's lights off just as easily.


Surely, the CIA could figure out how to blow The Three Gorges Damn! Lol
Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
14511 posts
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:12 am to
You’re in the know aren’t you
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