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re: Chinese transformers in U.S. power grid have remote backdoor shutoff switches
Posted on 4/15/25 at 7:52 pm to graychef
Posted on 4/15/25 at 7:52 pm to graychef
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I have my doubts. Most of this equipment has restricted and closely monitored connections.
Oh thank god. You have your doubts, I feel much better...
Posted on 4/15/25 at 7:57 pm to Cuz413
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massive power transformers do not have switches internally.
You are correct, but any transformer this size will have an overpressure trip, a Bucholz relay, etc. that connects to the switchgear. Infiltrate one of these devices and the protective controls and breakers do the rest.
I would not put this past our red friends.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 8:04 pm to Unobtanium
In that sense, yes, any microprocessor relay could have a cellular radio capable of being remote controlled.
My thought was if you're spending big dollars on a transformer, a high quality Schweitzer rely system isn't that much. I would not ever want to use a Chinese protection relay.
I suppose it's possible to have a neutral disconnect contactor on a WYE wound secondary. Being able to trip it could cause the transformer in an isolated system to produce some wacky L-G voltages.
My thought was if you're spending big dollars on a transformer, a high quality Schweitzer rely system isn't that much. I would not ever want to use a Chinese protection relay.
I suppose it's possible to have a neutral disconnect contactor on a WYE wound secondary. Being able to trip it could cause the transformer in an isolated system to produce some wacky L-G voltages.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 8:11 pm to Cuz413
quote:when first saw thread open began thinking about possible methods.
The circuit breaker is controlled via contacts, relays, or remote hand switches to open or close.
first thought is controls (ge, abb, siemens, woodward, sel, eaton) sf6 breaker controls could all be forced to trip on false flag power conditions. ie unbalance amperage (hate word current), unbalance voltage, frequency all power elements measured by their appropriate inputs but software/firmware could override the true measurement. this happen incoordination at every substation with infected controls that would start rolling blackouts.
this could take engineering investigations awhile to figure out problem allowing to repeat after every attempt to reclose.
second weak spot is any goab forced to open under load could fry those contact bars that would take a long time to source parts and make repairs
third thought is all power generation sources, prime mover source fake out actual speed thus forcing more speed till she flys apart (yes mechanical trip valve should save the day but when did anybody actually tempt fate they work in fear of run away) or all those renewables based on igbts that could be forced to short the clearing amperage demand would have to come from spinning reserves.
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 4/15/25 at 8:17 pm to billjamin
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I would be way more worried about them hacking a utility with shitty security and hitting the disco switch on all the meters.
Agreed.
How many Chinese made their way here under Biden? 100k? More?
Still, that just means that China has two options, not one.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 8:20 pm to Cuz413
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I suppose it's possible to have a neutral disconnect contactor on a WYE wound secondary. Being able to trip it could cause the transformer in an isolated system to produce some wacky L-G voltages.
I feel like you’ve been waiting for the perfect opportunity to drop some electrical knowledge and you found it

Posted on 4/15/25 at 8:27 pm to Cuz413
quote:what sel, you forget they are probably the biggest employer of techy slant eyes
Schweitzer rely system
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 4/15/25 at 9:02 pm to Crimson Wraith
Spoken about on Shawn Ryan awhile back
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:05 am to idlewatcher
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I feel like you’ve been waiting for the perfect opportunity to drop some electrical knowledge and you found it
Well, my thoughts on the civil war get mixed reviews, so, maybe this was the crack in the door to showcase some knowledge

Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:07 am to Cajun67
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what sel, you forget they are probably the biggest employer of techy slant eyes
I haven't followed them in recent years, but they are an employee owned company, and iirc, they manufactured their relays domestically.
The make up of the ethnicity of their employees, I don't know.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:09 am to Cuz413
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showcase some knowledge
That would be a first
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:09 am to Cajun67
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Cajun67
Everything you said, I agree with. I'm just trying to place this secret switch that is built into the unit that could disable a massive transformer.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:38 am to mwlewis
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If the Chinese cut off transformers in our grid that would be a direct declaration of war and they won’t do that.
Your assuming that we would know or be able to prove China was responsible. If any of this is true, I'm sure China understands how to execute this without leaving proof they are responsible.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:39 am to Crimson Wraith
Shawn Ryan has been sounding this alarm for awhile.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 7:41 am
Posted on 4/16/25 at 7:57 am to Cuz413
quote:non i know of directly only ancillary components other thing forgot which i believe is mostly all made in china is the gas analyzer that accompanies these beast. only thing internal would be the online tap changer but they usually operate all 3 phases at once but drastically changing that setting could turn transformer into a rocket ship !
Everything you said, I agree with. I'm just trying to place this secret switch that is built into the unit that could disable a massive transformer.
This post was edited on 4/16/25 at 8:05 am
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:01 am to Crimson Wraith
largest transformer manufacturer in the world is in MS. Howard Industries. Should be buying American transformers
Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:40 am to Crimson Wraith
"Transformers! Chicoms in disguise." 

Posted on 4/16/25 at 8:49 am to 4Bagger
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If they did (they don't), they would not dare be used.
Even if they do have this feature, we can turn China's lights off just as easily.
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:07 am to Tantal
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Even if they do have this feature, we can turn China's lights off just as easily.
Surely, the CIA could figure out how to blow The Three Gorges Damn! Lol
Posted on 4/16/25 at 9:12 am to graychef
You’re in the know aren’t you
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