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China's response is interesting... all the more because they 'owe' Tehran.
Posted on 8/25/26 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 8/25/26 at 9:51 pm
I was going to post this as a response to a thread but I think the J-20 story is worth it on its own.
This started back, end of Feb (Iran bomb runs) but I first heard rumblings around March 17th. Here's what has floated around.
Iran is supposedly pissed at China. China was embarrassed on the world stage. Behind the scenes, it's said that China has agreed to concessions, only as long as trade [read that as oil] flows. No oil, no concessions.
Why?
Go back to last year and those pesky Chinese JY-27 radar systems. You recall those -- when American forces made them look inept.
Story goes like this:
- October 2025, after successful testing earlier, General Lopez of Venezuela announced "Today, Venezuela has received the Chinese JY-27 radar system - a radar capable of seeing the soul of the F-35"
- December, 2025 Same JY-27 radar systems start being installed in Iran.
- Meanwhile, through the end of year, 2025, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro upped his public troll game against Trump. Until he didn't. I wonder what prison food he's eating tonight. (LMAO)
- Late February 2026, American B-2's (again) flew in from thousands of miles and did whatever they wanted to Iran... all while those JY-27 radar systems sat around doing nothing.
- Turns out the 'signatures' they had picked up in testing? Chinese J-20 'stealth' jets were used. Only one of three stealth fighters in the world, it is a copy of the US's older F-22. The third fighter is, of course, the newer, multi-use F-35.
- Then, genius chief designer Yang Wei, national hero and the father of the J-20 disappeared a few months ago. Originally, he was linked to a corruption case tied to now convicted chairman Tan Ruisong surrounding the aircraft, bribery, etc.
- Then a few months ago, everything Yang Wei touched has been wiped by Chinese, something which implies even worse.
- About that time India, discloses they are able to track J-20 aircraft. Aircraft which increasingly reminds me more of the Mig-25 incident of pilot Viktor Belenko in the 70s.
- Turns out the J-20, which China has been supplying Tehran with, (EDIT: the J-20 is not exported from China .. thanks phaz - they're used for radar testing only in foreign territories) suffer from some nasty compressor stalls; while not being nearly the stealth machines they were promised to have been (and all Chinese believe they are). These machines being used to 'simulate' F-35's signatures, aren't even comparable to the machines China copied (and were supposed to be superior to), the F-22.
So, lets recap. China has been supplying Iran with their best. But their best was embarrassed by the US military, more than once. To a point where is funny, unless you are Chinese.
(which reminds me... Hey China, looking at you!)
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China is supposedly committed to help rebuild Iran, promising to address the technology gap. Those radar systems were sold at a premium, to guarantee early warning that 2025's Operation Midnight Hammer wouldn't happen again. Then like being treated like a cheap whore, the US returned in 2026.
But Iran's leadership is increasingly pissed, as that was two or three groups of leadership destroyed ago. They now feel betrayed and want China to make good on correcting their blunder, even around sanctions, if needed. China publicly can't do much. except state... 'stay out of our business... business which is probably in violation of sanctions.'
The J-20 testing data leaked on JY-27's during the past 6-8 weeks... like the following.
Yang Wei was a fascinating fellow, with more info on him here. But his design has apparently caused [at least indirectly] the fall of two capitals.
This started back, end of Feb (Iran bomb runs) but I first heard rumblings around March 17th. Here's what has floated around.
Iran is supposedly pissed at China. China was embarrassed on the world stage. Behind the scenes, it's said that China has agreed to concessions, only as long as trade [read that as oil] flows. No oil, no concessions.
Why?
Go back to last year and those pesky Chinese JY-27 radar systems. You recall those -- when American forces made them look inept.
Story goes like this:
- October 2025, after successful testing earlier, General Lopez of Venezuela announced "Today, Venezuela has received the Chinese JY-27 radar system - a radar capable of seeing the soul of the F-35"
- December, 2025 Same JY-27 radar systems start being installed in Iran.
- Meanwhile, through the end of year, 2025, Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro upped his public troll game against Trump. Until he didn't. I wonder what prison food he's eating tonight. (LMAO)
- Late February 2026, American B-2's (again) flew in from thousands of miles and did whatever they wanted to Iran... all while those JY-27 radar systems sat around doing nothing.
- Turns out the 'signatures' they had picked up in testing? Chinese J-20 'stealth' jets were used. Only one of three stealth fighters in the world, it is a copy of the US's older F-22. The third fighter is, of course, the newer, multi-use F-35.
- Then, genius chief designer Yang Wei, national hero and the father of the J-20 disappeared a few months ago. Originally, he was linked to a corruption case tied to now convicted chairman Tan Ruisong surrounding the aircraft, bribery, etc.
- Then a few months ago, everything Yang Wei touched has been wiped by Chinese, something which implies even worse.
- About that time India, discloses they are able to track J-20 aircraft. Aircraft which increasingly reminds me more of the Mig-25 incident of pilot Viktor Belenko in the 70s.
- Turns out the J-20, which China has been supplying Tehran with, (EDIT: the J-20 is not exported from China .. thanks phaz - they're used for radar testing only in foreign territories) suffer from some nasty compressor stalls; while not being nearly the stealth machines they were promised to have been (and all Chinese believe they are). These machines being used to 'simulate' F-35's signatures, aren't even comparable to the machines China copied (and were supposed to be superior to), the F-22.
So, lets recap. China has been supplying Iran with their best. But their best was embarrassed by the US military, more than once. To a point where is funny, unless you are Chinese.
(which reminds me... Hey China, looking at you!)
> China is supposedly committed to help rebuild Iran, promising to address the technology gap. Those radar systems were sold at a premium, to guarantee early warning that 2025's Operation Midnight Hammer wouldn't happen again. Then like being treated like a cheap whore, the US returned in 2026.
But Iran's leadership is increasingly pissed, as that was two or three groups of leadership destroyed ago. They now feel betrayed and want China to make good on correcting their blunder, even around sanctions, if needed. China publicly can't do much. except state... 'stay out of our business... business which is probably in violation of sanctions.'
The J-20 testing data leaked on JY-27's during the past 6-8 weeks... like the following.
Yang Wei was a fascinating fellow, with more info on him here. But his design has apparently caused [at least indirectly] the fall of two capitals.
This post was edited on 8/26/26 at 11:05 am
Posted on 8/25/26 at 9:53 pm to captainFid
The IRGC bought Made In China equipment and is surprised it sucks?
Posted on 8/25/26 at 9:58 pm to captainFid
Exactly. What are they going to do? Deploy all that cheap Chinese crap that Maduro and Khameini relied on?

Posted on 8/25/26 at 10:40 pm to captainFid
Thanks for sharing:
Amazing to me that some limp wrist on thid board think China is going to surpass the USA
The whole is country is a facade and based on corruption , IP theft, wholesale propaganda and finally a totalitarian regime
Shills on this board that believe they could actually defeat us in a hot war should be embarrassed ….as. Mentioned in the video when has their equipment or military tactics ever been tested or proven in combat…oh whoops we just got to see two example of state of the art technology that blown to hell and back by the US military
Amazing to me that some limp wrist on thid board think China is going to surpass the USA
The whole is country is a facade and based on corruption , IP theft, wholesale propaganda and finally a totalitarian regime
Shills on this board that believe they could actually defeat us in a hot war should be embarrassed ….as. Mentioned in the video when has their equipment or military tactics ever been tested or proven in combat…oh whoops we just got to see two example of state of the art technology that blown to hell and back by the US military
Posted on 8/25/26 at 11:05 pm to captainFid
quote:I don't know exactly how they pulled this off, but with this supposedly awesome radar system from China, Venezuela was powerless to stop the US from flying big, loud, and slow helicopters right into Caracas and black bagging Maduro. Somehow the US rendered Venezuela's air defenses all but useless.
October, 2025 after successful testing earlier, General Lopez, of Venezuela announced "Today, Venezuela has received the Chinese JY-27 radar system - a radar capable of seeing the soul of the F-35"
Posted on 8/25/26 at 11:19 pm to masoncj
Not to mention but on top of corruption their soldiers have never been tested in war. Half might run away.
Posted on 8/25/26 at 11:25 pm to captainFid
We've been in World War 3 since Covid. The Chinese have been in it since Bill Clinton was purchaseable. The Iranians have been in it since Jimmy Carter still had a smile on his face.
Now we've accepted the fact that we're in a war and should probably fight back.
We are a fascinating species.
Now we've accepted the fact that we're in a war and should probably fight back.
We are a fascinating species.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 12:05 am to masoncj
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Amazing to me that some limp wrist on thid board think China is going to surpass the USA
The whole is country is a facade and based on corruption , IP theft, wholesale propaganda and finally a totalitarian regime
Right. Their military is fake too. Nothing but a bad copycat of ours. And oh by the way they don't have near as much experience as our military. Bring it commies.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 12:10 am to SaintsTiger
Their equipment is shite but the Chinese have an almost unlimited supply of manpower that they can throw at us plus they don’t care how many of them die
Posted on 8/26/26 at 6:16 am to ChanceOfRainIsNever
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the Chinese have an almost unlimited supply of manpower that they can throw at us
Many signs may point to this being another false claim.
BTW, "manpower that they can through at us"? How would they cross the Pacific Ocean? We certainly wouldn't invade with our boots on the ground as China is about 20% larger than the continental US. We're not invading them, they not going to invade us. If anything a battle would be a naval and naval aviation battle with the escalation being nuclear. Otherwise, it's going to be constant wrestling with proxies and influencing other countries for each countries benefit.
Edit, And if China military does happen to make it through our navy, cross the pacific, and beach head the U.S., BOY HOWY do they have a welcoming committee waiting for them...
Brave search "US private ammunition ownership larger than US military?"
U.S. private ammunition and firearm ownership significantly exceeds that of the U.S. military.
Civilian Ownership Scale: American civilians own an estimated 393 million to 500 million firearms, with recent estimates suggesting up to 10 million assault-style rifles (such as AR-15s) in private hands. The civilian sector spends approximately $10–$20 billion annually on firearms and ammunition, compared to the Pentagon’s small arms procurement budget of $1.5–$2.5 billion.
This post was edited on 8/26/26 at 6:54 am
Posted on 8/26/26 at 6:28 am to captainFid
CHINA is not going to rebuild Iran
Why would they agree to do that again?
Who has been able to stop the United States from bombing certain targets if they want to?
I think CHINA has plenty of their own problems. I don’t think they’re gonna go and rebuild Iran.
Why would they agree to do that again?
Who has been able to stop the United States from bombing certain targets if they want to?
I think CHINA has plenty of their own problems. I don’t think they’re gonna go and rebuild Iran.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 7:49 am to Victor R Franko
quote:Excellent point Victor
Many signs may point to this being another false claim.
+1
As Lei and others have pointed out, COVID looks like it was devastating to them with realistic estimates between 100-150 million people, just erased.
Add to it, unreliable, initial, population numbers and all of the sudden china looks like a half of India's population.
One more point about that population.
It starts with an metaphor...
When in Haiti on a mission trip, A cook was brought in to prepare food for the team, in a secure, remote area. At some point, it was noticed the cook didn't eat what he prepared, especially the chicken. When asked, the cook politely turned down an offer to join the group. Never having eaten chicken in his life, it was better to not know what it tasted like.
This was the ultimate "you don't know what you've missed, if you've never had it" lesson for me. For 25 years, this has floored me. chicken?
Recently, China has been making strides in the world: they separated market-based economic mechanics from democratic/liberal capitalism. The market creates the wealth and innovation, while the authoritarian state directs the overarching trajectory and retains ultimate leverage.
Tesla's largest market for a while was China. More entrepreneurs than all western countries combined, for a period. And a whole 'middle-class' created in one lifetime.
That's a large number of their citizenship, which have now 'tasted' the chicken.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 8:06 am to captainFid
Lei’s real talk is probably the best view i to wtf goes on in China that i’ve found and i’ve been tracking the radar story.
Chef’s kiss that they thought the radars would work because it could detect their own plane.
Chef’s kiss that they thought the radars would work because it could detect their own plane.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 9:00 am to captainFid
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Genius chief designer Yang Wei, national hero and the father of the J-20 disappeared a few months ago.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 9:43 am to ChanceOfRainIsNever
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Their equipment is shite but the Chinese have an almost unlimited supply of manpower that they can throw at us plus they don’t care how many of them die
See Stories of the Chinese entering the Korean conflict for proof of this...
Short version.. in some cases our troops were running out of ammo and the perpetual wave of Chinese seemed never ending...
Posted on 8/26/26 at 9:54 am to LSUnation78
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Chef’s kiss that they thought the radars would work because it could detect their own plane.
China gassing up their team after spring practice
Posted on 8/26/26 at 9:59 am to Victor R Franko
quote:
And if China military does happen to make it through our navy, cross the pacific, and beach head the U.S., BOY HOWY do they have a welcoming committee waiting for them...
quote:
U.S. private ammunition and firearm ownership significantly exceeds that of the U.S. military.
Behind every blade of grass.
Yamamoto knew.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 10:26 am to captainFid
China doesn't sell the j-20 to anyone, they keep it for themselves as we did with the f-22.
Posted on 8/26/26 at 11:39 am to ChanceOfRainIsNever
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Their equipment is shite but the Chinese have an almost unlimited supply of manpower that they can throw at us plus they don’t care how many of them die
The government may not care about the dead but they are certainly aware that military catastrophe could destabilize their authority, subjecting them to potential mass unrest and leadership coup d'etat. This is certainly a constraining factor on their behavior and risk tolerance.
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