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China tried to strike at Trump — and missed the mark entirely

Posted on 12/7/18 at 6:38 am
Posted by WPBTiger
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 6:38 am
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“When you strike at a king you must kill him,” Ralph Waldo Emerson once said. Well, this year China tried to strike at President Trump for daring to launch a trade war with Beijing — and missed the mark entirely.

After Trump imposed massive tariffs on Chinese goods earlier this year, Beijing responded in June with what appeared to be a clever strategy: targeting retaliatory tariffs against Trump voters in rural farming communities across the United States. China is the largest importer of U.S. soybeans, buying $14 billion of them in 2017. Three of the biggest soybean-producing states, Indiana, Missouri and North Dakota, not only voted for Trump, but also in the 2018 midterms had Democratic senators, Joe Donnelly (Ind.), Claire McCaskill (Mo.) and Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.), who were up for reelection. If Beijing imposed painful tariffs on soybeans, Chinese leaders likely calculated, they could create a rift between Trump and rural voters who put him in the White House, give Senate Democrats a boost and force Trump to back down.


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But Trump did not back down. He countered by announcing $12 billion in aid for farmers, threatened to increase his tariffs on Chinese goods and asked his rural base to stick with him while he faced down the economic predators in Beijing. That is exactly what they did. Far from abandoning the president, rural voters hurt by Chinese tariffs rallied around Trump and the GOP. They threw Donnelly, Heitkamp and McCaskill out of office, allowing Republicans to expand their Senate majority. And while Republicans lost control of the House, few of the GOP losses came from rural districts. Competitive rural districts mostly ended up staying Republican; it was the urban-suburban districts that flipped to the Democrats.


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China’s tariff ploy didn’t just fail to sway the 2018 midterms; it actually backfired. The tariffs made the U.S. soybeans that China depends on more expensive, and Beijing soon found that alternative suppliers in South America could not produce enough to meet Chinese demand, leading to shortfalls.

In other words, China went for a kill shot — and ended up shooting itself in the foot.


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That has emboldened Trump in his negotiations with Chinese President Xi Jinping — as shown by news this week that a senior executive of Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei had been arrested in Vancouver, at the request of the United States, on charges of violating sanctions on Iran. China demanded her release but nonetheless affirmed that it will still observe the 90-day tariff cease-fire Trump and Xi reached during their meeting last week in Buenos Aires — putting off a scheduled Jan. 1 escalation of U.S. tariffs from 10 percent to 25 percent on $200 billion of Chinese goods while the two sides negotiate a deal.


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Trump has leverage going into those talks. The U.S. economy is booming, while China has just posted its weakest growth in nearly a decade. Moreover, during the Group of 20 meeting in Argentina, Xi saw how Trump has been able to bend his trade rivals to his will, and deliver trade victories for his working-class political base, when he held an elaborate signing ceremony for the new U.S.-Mexico-Canada trade agreement.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:16 am to
IB Melting will not like this. He will not like this one fricking bit
Posted by WPBTiger
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:34 am to
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IB Melting


IB Screamin aka IB Chinaman
Posted by Walkthedawg
Dawg Pound
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:35 am to
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China tried to strike at Trump — and missed the mark entirely


On the way home from work the media said otherwise
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32507 posts
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:35 am to
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The tariffs made the U.S. soybeans that China depends on more expensive, and Beijing soon found that alternative suppliers in South America could not produce enough to meet Chinese demand, leading to shortfalls.


Oh reary? But I thought muh tariffs were bad?
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
5001 posts
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:42 am to
China is actually lucky they got that swine flu because it has greatly reduced the amount of soybeans they need to bring in
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13103 posts
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:44 am to
Meh... The $12 billion in subsidies didn't come close to making up the lost revenue for farmers this year from the tariff impact. Sh*t needs to end soon imo. I just cringe when we pay subsidies to any industry. Trump is on the edge of losing a good chunk of his rural voters if this doesn't get straightened out by 2020.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54202 posts
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:51 am to
I read in the paper a few days back that the Chinese are going back on their word to themselves on their embargo of American pork. They're having some kind of swine flu problem over there with their hogs and rescinded their promise of not buying pork from our farmers. Those folks over there eat a helluva lot of pork.
Posted by mattloc
Alabama
Member since Sep 2012
4304 posts
Posted on 12/7/18 at 7:56 am to
I live in a huge farming community.... Most of my neighbors have their own silos... they support Trump virtually across the board. Most farmers that I know are very politically astute. They understand why China must be contained
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:01 am to
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Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
13h13 hours ago

Statement from China: “The teams of both sides are now having smooth communications and good cooperation with each other. We are full of confidence that an agreement can be reached within the next 90 days.” I agree!




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Donald J. Trump
Verified account @realDonaldTrump
46m46 minutes ago

China talks are going very well!


This post was edited on 12/7/18 at 8:02 am
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90498 posts
Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:01 am to
Newsflash the tariffs didn’t ruin the soybean market. It’s been shite for 2 years now due to increased production from South America and higher yields domestically
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
13103 posts
Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:06 am to
Soybeans were at ~$9.75 to $10 before the tariff war started, and at ~$8.50 per bushel during the height of the trade war. 90 million soybean acres * 50 bushels/acre * $1.25 per bushel= $5.6B lost revenue for 2018 soybeans. Well, after doing the math maybe I was wrong!
Posted by Farm4life
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:26 am to
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Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:43 am to
All I heard from soybean farmers this year is they had nowhere to put beans.
Posted by AlceeFortier
Member since Dec 2016
1795 posts
Posted on 12/7/18 at 9:00 am to
Economy is booming? A recession may be in store for 2019 or 2020. I do agree trump had to confront the Chinese commies though. Trump does have some skill in negotiations. We just have to hope he really knows what he is doing. Negotiating with the chinese is not the same as screwing over sub contractors and general contractors as frump had a penchant for in the recent past.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73271 posts
Posted on 12/7/18 at 9:03 am to
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Negotiating with the chinese is not the same as screwing over sub contractors and general contractors as frump had a penchant for in the recent past.


Posted by Tmcgin
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Member since Jun 2010
4946 posts
Posted on 12/7/18 at 9:03 am to
So he taxes us with tariffs and corporate welfare to those affected
Posted by GumpInLex
Lexington, KY
Member since Nov 2011
1617 posts
Posted on 12/7/18 at 9:09 am to
Um, no thats not lucky for them. They are by far the largest consumers of pork in the world and are now facing a huge shortage of pork. They are having to import a ton of them from us at a premium. Win/win for us.

Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 9:49 am to
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50 bushels/acre


That's all per acre? shite yield in the US hasn't improved much over the last decade for beans. It was close to that in Iowa the last time I worked any farms which is almost a decade ago.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 12/7/18 at 10:18 am to
Lazy motherfrickin' hasbeans
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