re: China to test 3nm EUV lithography machine that was developed by Huawei

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I think “developed” should be in quotes. Should just say “stole”

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A Assessment on how China developed LDP technology by Grok 3



The exact origin of Huawei's laser-induced discharge plasma (LDP) technology is not explicitly detailed in publicly available sources, as Huawei has not officially disclosed the specifics of its development process. However, based on the context of current technological advancements and China's broader efforts in the semiconductor industry, several plausible scenarios can be inferred.
LDP technology itself is not entirely new; it builds on principles of laser-induced plasma generation that have been explored in scientific and industrial contexts globally for decades. It is a variation of extreme ultraviolet (EUV) light generation techniques, distinct from the laser-produced plasma (LPP) method pioneered by companies like ASML. Huawei's implementation of LDP likely stems from a combination of domestic research and development efforts within China, possibly supported by collaborations with Chinese academic institutions, state-backed research organizations, and private enterprises.
China has been heavily investing in its semiconductor capabilities to reduce reliance on foreign technology, especially amid U.S. sanctions that restricted access to ASML's EUV lithography machines. Reports indicate that Huawei's LDP-based EUV system is being tested at its Dongguan facility, suggesting that the technology was developed in-house or through a consortium of Chinese entities. For instance, organizations like the Chinese Academy of Sciences or Wuhan National Laboratory for Optoelectronics—known for laser and plasma research—could have contributed foundational knowledge or expertise. Additionally, Huawei's partnerships with domestic firms like SMIC (Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation) and its own chip design subsidiary, HiSilicon, may have facilitated the integration of LDP into a functional lithography system.
While some speculate that China could have reverse-engineered or adapted existing EUV concepts, there’s no concrete evidence to suggest Huawei directly obtained LDP technology from foreign sources. Instead, it aligns with China’s strategic push for self-sufficiency, leveraging its own scientific community and industrial base. Posts on X and various tech reports highlight that this LDP approach is seen as simpler and potentially more cost-effective than ASML’s LPP, indicating it may represent an innovative adaptation rather than a direct copy of Western technology.
In summary, Huawei’s LDP technology most likely originated from China’s domestic R&D ecosystem, driven by national initiatives to overcome technological sanctions, though the precise details of its development remain unclear without official statements from Huawei or its partners."

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Canon already is selling 2nm lithography machines

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According to Grok 3 they are not mass selling 2nm machines. The FPA-1200NZ2C currently produces 5nm process node. Like previously stated the difference between 3nm vs 1nm is going to be incremental compared to 7nm to 3nm.


As of March 19, 2025, Canon is not yet mass-selling 2nm lithography machines, but they have developed and begun shipping a system capable of producing chips at that scale. In October 2023, Canon launched the FPA-1200NZ2C, a nanoimprint lithography (NIL) system designed to create circuit patterns for semiconductors. This machine can currently pattern at a minimum linewidth of 14nm, equivalent to a 5nm process node, which is already advanced. Canon has stated that with further refinement—particularly improvements in mask technology—this system could achieve a 10nm linewidth, corresponding to the 2nm node.
In September 2024, Canon shipped its first FPA-1200NZ2C unit to the Texas Institute for Electronics (TIE), marking a significant step toward commercialization. While this indicates Canon is actively deploying the technology, it’s not yet clear if they are broadly selling these machines to multiple customers or if this shipment represents a pilot phase. Canon’s CEO, Fujio Mitarai, has emphasized the system’s cost-effectiveness—potentially "one digit less" than ASML’s EUV machines—and its lower power consumption, positioning it as a competitor to ASML’s dominant extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography systems.
However, industry analysts have expressed skepticism about its immediate readiness for high-volume manufacturing, citing challenges with defects, overlay accuracy, and throughput—issues inherent to NIL technology. This suggests that while Canon’s system can technically produce 2nm-equivalent chips, it may still be in a testing or early adoption phase rather than widely available for purchase. Canon has indicated ongoing R&D to refine the technology, and they’ve received interest from semiconductor manufacturers, universities, and research institutes, hinting at a gradual rollout rather than full-scale sales right now."

So does the USA do any of this??

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Heck, if it weren't for 

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Ah...Yes...posting information with clear sources and references to back up the thread being discussed is terrible. The horror of having to back up your opinion with sources, instead of spewing nonsense with the explanation of "trust me bro" If it weren't for Memphis only commenting in DeSantis threads and threads stalking me about being Eric to fulfill his gay fantasies he would have about 5 posts total

Everything China makes that they don't steal is garabage (Tofu Dreg). Even their new 6th gen Jet Fighter is garbage. It doesn't even fit the qualifications of 6th gen because it doesn't have unmanned aerial drones flying along side it.

Before we got so lucky to have you spam here, what website did you used to spam?

Bet they are really missing you.

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Just like you claim I post alot of Ron DeSantis threads when I have started less than 75 threads about Ron DeSantis.

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My question for you is...you claim to be this Christian Person but you are constantly lying on this board about me. Do you lie this much in your day to day life also?

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As you are well aware, I'm not lying about you, John. And no, I tend to not be dishonest person in my day to day life, either.

TSMC: "China is asshoe"

Wait... you ACTUALLY TOOK THE TIME TO COUNT YOUR ACTUAL GROK POSTS? How frickin' sad is that?

Hyperbole. Look it up, John.

You're as sad as the dems who whine about Trump tweets.