re: Check in here if you are voting Trump but expect Biden to win

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You are quite the cuck these last few weeks

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last few weeks??

do you remember him and sir winston on election night 2016?
they fricking melted like ice cream on asphalt in summer time when trump was down early in florida. it was fn pathetic, both are weak kneed. cave at first sign of adversity.

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werent you convinced last time Hillary would win by 350 EVs?

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I’ll be the first to admit that I was convinced that Hillary would win. So was the rest of the frickin world!

Now, I don’t believe one single word coming out of the media this time, but they are making me nervous.

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Actually I’m not voting at all. Never had, never will.

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Felons can't. Registered sex offender huh? Why kids?!!

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Actually I’m not voting at all. Never had, never will.

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I'd say you're a pussy but deep down I appreciate one less blue vote.

I consider myself a fairly balenced person and try not to let my confirmation bias run my thinking on football games and things like elections. Obviously
we all can’t escape our bias but in this case I genuinely see explainable obvious reasons why the MSM And their resident pollsters would have plenty of MOTIVE to keep polls BLEAK for Trump no matter what and through the campaign up until Election Day and why it actually makes SENSE they could be completely lying for partisan reasons:

1) They desperately want to cool off the highly
Motivated Trump voter. They tried this in 2016 and of course just like everything else with the media they are turned up all the way this time. They feel like they can depress the Trump voter on the margins not to show up and even if they can do this for a few thousand Trump voters its worth it to them.

2) They set the Biden team up perfectly post election to get lawsuits, recounts, and extremely long delays in multiple states going by getting the long established narrative all campaign season that Biden was way way out in front and losing would almost be impossible.

So obviously—it would be perfectly normal and reasonable for The Biden team to challenge all kind of things in multiple states if he losses multiple battleground states because After all— there was almost 0% chance Biden could have lost enough states to lose the election— it’s just not possible obviously their was “cheating”.

As an added bonus benefit— Even after they exhaust all recounts, lawsuits, challenges etc— this would set up the next IMPEACHMENT as they hope to have control of the senate by next year and of course this would look like much Russian collusion once again.

To me NOTHING about Biden being up in the polls should surprise anyone and simply no other scenario should have ever been expected.

Also— my counter-argument to the rebuttal that “the pollsters have a reputation to keep or else they will lose credibility and their jobs if they are very far off the final results”.

PLEASE— you could say the same thing about the MSM media losing all objectively 4 years ago and a good bit of ratings DID tank and YET no major channel has gone bankrupt and a high amount of commentators are still employed. They couldn’t CARE LESS if half the country thinks they are lying scumbags — as long as the other side is cool with it they’ve got no problem with it.

You really think it will be any different with pollsters that are ALL IN for Biden? You don’t think if/when they are proven totally WRONG they will just have a ready made excuse if they are wrong and BLAME Covid 19, and cell phones, and whatever else like they always do?

Again— all I am trying to say is I don’t find this surprising and all and when people or groups have MOTIVE to act in a certain way— why should that be dismissed simply because it seems to be something we also HOPE is true? I mean it may not be but to just dismiss the possibility would be dumb as as well.

It would seem to me that the pollsters would/will have gained a better sense of how the polls can be manipulated, perhaps where plausible deniability exists, etc etc. Surely reverse engineering what went wrong in 2016 also yielded a blueprint for how to get to that point again if they so chose.

Add all that above to the unprecedented effort to remove Trump at all costs, as we've seen....I don't see how we could even come close to dismissing the possibility of substantial misdeeds in the polls.

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Powerman

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You are the very definition of delusional.

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It would seem to me that the pollsters would/will have gained a better sense of how the polls can be manipulated, perhaps where plausible deniability exists, etc etc. Surely reverse engineering what went wrong in 2016 also yielded a blueprint for how to get to that point again if they so chose.

Add all that above to the unprecedented effort to remove Trump at all costs, as we've seen....I don't see how we could even come close to dismissing the possibility of substantial misdeeds in the polls.

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The only idea that I reject is that voter fraud and misleading polls can only be perpetrated by one side. The entire field self-selects for sociopaths. Both sides are playing the same damn game, trying to gain an edge and they don't give a damn about ethics or the law.

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I’m in that boat Despite what 99% of people on this board think, I do think it’s going to be very close and Trump could very well lose They think every poll is rigged and I get they are inaccurate but I think Biden has a very good chance to win. I don’t like it I’m just a realist.

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What you said.