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"Celebrate Diversity"
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:20 pm
Does anyone else get pissed when y'all see a LinkedIn/Facebook/insert social media platform here post from someone or some company that touts how much they celebrate diversity by posting a picture of a random group of employees of different races/nationalities/etc and how much they appreciate a company who celebrates diversity?
I work for a SF tech company, so maybe it's more rampant in my industry, but this shite just pisses me off.
Like, if I was the CEO or head of HR, I don't give a flying frick if you are white, black, Asian, gay, tranny, or whatever, if you are the best candidate, I will hire you. If you suck at your job, I will fire you. If you bring additional value, I will promote you.
When companies do shite like this, it really turns me off and tells me that they are only doing things for perception and to impress other people of how inclusive they are, not that they know how to run a business that provides real value to its prospective customer base.
Am I wrong here?
ETA: hit enter on my phone and this started the topic before I typed my message
I work for a SF tech company, so maybe it's more rampant in my industry, but this shite just pisses me off.
Like, if I was the CEO or head of HR, I don't give a flying frick if you are white, black, Asian, gay, tranny, or whatever, if you are the best candidate, I will hire you. If you suck at your job, I will fire you. If you bring additional value, I will promote you.
When companies do shite like this, it really turns me off and tells me that they are only doing things for perception and to impress other people of how inclusive they are, not that they know how to run a business that provides real value to its prospective customer base.
Am I wrong here?
ETA: hit enter on my phone and this started the topic before I typed my message
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 8:33 pm
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:21 pm to Shenanigans
I call shenanigans
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:21 pm to Schmelly
no.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:23 pm to Shenanigans
Nah
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:25 pm to Shenanigans
...by excluding white, straight men.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:35 pm to Shenanigans
Give me a reason why companies shouldn't value diversity?
This board sees NO good in diversity...ita quite pathetic. There are plenty of benefits. It just that the some of you feel like you're getting paced out of jobs only YOU deserve and only YOU are qualified enough to get...
it aint 1950 brother.
This board sees NO good in diversity...ita quite pathetic. There are plenty of benefits. It just that the some of you feel like you're getting paced out of jobs only YOU deserve and only YOU are qualified enough to get...
it aint 1950 brother.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:35 pm to Shenanigans
"Diversity" is something that presents additional challenges that have to be overcome. Without people who value " diversity" it's a huge liability and leads to societal Balkanization. Also there is nothing inherently virtuous or admirable about " diversity" . It's value- neutral.
The term " celebrate diversity " is essentially progressive sloganeering. I prefer " America, frick yeah".
The term " celebrate diversity " is essentially progressive sloganeering. I prefer " America, frick yeah".
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:38 pm to StrongSafety
Robert Putnam, author of Bowling Alone, found that diversity has real downsides. The more diverse the neighborhood, the less cohesive it becomes. He found that people stopped trusting each other.
It's important reading because while there may be upsides to diversity, such as avoiding group think, there are also downsides.
It's important reading because while there may be upsides to diversity, such as avoiding group think, there are also downsides.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:39 pm to StrongSafety
If you had no problem with the best man or woman getting the job, then why do you complain about diversity?
Maybe you just don't think they could ever be up to your standards or qualifications.
Maybe you just don't think they could ever be up to your standards or qualifications.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:39 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:
The more diverse the neighborhood, the less cohesive it becomes. He found that people stopped trusting each other.
Why did they stop trusting each other?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:40 pm to StrongSafety
quote:
If you had no problem with the best man or woman getting the job, then why do you complain about diversity?
Explain affirmative action then
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:40 pm to StrongSafety
I didn't say one thing about not valuing diversity. What I said was, if I owned a business, I would hire the best candidate for each role based on their qualifications without any regard whatsoever to their gender, race, or orientation. If that means my workforce is 90% white dudes, so be it. If it's 63% black women or 78% Indian, so be it. I don't make it a point to judge people on things they can't control, and hiring people just because they "check off a box" from a demographic standpoint is disingenuous to all parties, and counterintuitive toward making a profit.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:44 pm to Lima Whiskey
Diversity can also undermine the people it's trying to elevate. If the public feels someone of a particular minority only got the position because of race, they will not trust the skills of all individuals of that race who hold the position, including those who earned it based on merit.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:44 pm to Wild Thang
@ Strong Safety
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:45 pm to Shenanigans
My only issue with such platitudes: All too often those who advocate the celebration of "diversity" are only interested in spotlighting ethnic diversity or different sexual orientations, not diversity of thought. religious beliefs, and/or political beliefs.
The celebration ends the moment said diversity differs from their schema of what is just and acceptable.
The celebration ends the moment said diversity differs from their schema of what is just and acceptable.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:45 pm to StrongSafety
name one really successful, diverse group
the Nasa moon landing team? not diverse
the 97-98 chicago bulls? not diverse
genghis khan's army? not diverse
the beatles? not diverse
the Nasa moon landing team? not diverse
the 97-98 chicago bulls? not diverse
genghis khan's army? not diverse
the beatles? not diverse
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:45 pm to StrongSafety
It's interesting, because they not only don't trust people who don't look like them - they stop trusting the people who appear to share their backgrounds.
Putnam is an old line New Englander and he held off publishing for years because he found the data so troubling.
Presumably, it's the difference in values and the ensuing trouble they had understanding each other. If I can't read you, if I can't understand how you think, how can I trust you? It's going to be very difficult for me to predict your behavior. And so Putnam found people would bunker down and avoid their neighbors.
Putnam is an old line New Englander and he held off publishing for years because he found the data so troubling.
Presumably, it's the difference in values and the ensuing trouble they had understanding each other. If I can't read you, if I can't understand how you think, how can I trust you? It's going to be very difficult for me to predict your behavior. And so Putnam found people would bunker down and avoid their neighbors.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:45 pm to Shenanigans
Don't worry. He doesn't actually read or comprehend any form of nuance in any of the posts. He sees what he's been trained to see . Don't waste your time, or the thread becomes a remedial for him.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:50 pm to el Gaucho
There are real advantages to homogeneity. It's easier to communicate for one. Everyone shares the same basic values and looks at the world in largely the same way. Decision making is also faster, due to the ease of communication, but also because of the shared perspective.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:53 pm to StrongSafety
quote:
Give me a reason why companies shouldn't value diversity?
This board sees NO good in diversity...ita quite pathetic. There are plenty of benefits. It just that the some of you feel like you're getting paced out of jobs only YOU deserve and only YOU are qualified enough to get...
it aint 1950 brother.
The group that doesn't have a "special title" associated with it still runs shite.
Keep that in mind when you see a group begging for special treatment. Look at who they ask.
Diversity is a good thing.
Forced diversity based on anything other than merit is a slap in the face of everyone involved.
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