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re: CDC Held a Secret Meeting after a Study showed the Hepatitis B Vaccine was Causing Autism

Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:56 pm to
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/14/26 at 1:56 pm to
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How about YOU go read the lawsuit, which does, in fact, list the complaints in the xpost.

Why not link the exact verbiage used in the lawsuit and make me look like a real idiot?

But first…which lawsuit again? The one the AAP just filed or the one from earlier last year? This super well done X post must have forgotten the link!
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
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Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:00 pm to
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This super well done X post must have forgotten the link!


I found it.

Are you naive, dumb or just too lazy to google?
Posted by SallysHuman
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Member since Jan 2025
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Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:10 pm to
Here's a snippet... about gender affirming care (chemical and physical castration) for minors.



No one is "denying medical care for transgender youth"... the guidance has changed on chemically or surgically transitioning underage youth.
Posted by Dee_oh_Dee
Member since Aug 2024
197 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:10 pm to
Welp, it sure went quiet.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
12182 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:14 pm to
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Here's a snippet... about gender affirming care (chemical and physical castration) for minors.

Wtf does this have to do with our debate? Link me to this part which, according to you, is “plausible?”

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You actually find it plausible that a bunch of doctors and/or medical organizations actually put pen to paper that their objection to something is bc “we now have to treat patients like individuals, have to way risks and benefits, etc etc?”


I’ll wait patiently.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:16 pm to
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I’ll wait patiently.


I looked it up.. I suggest you do the same.

As for what the transgender section has to do with anything- that's in the more recent lawsuit- I say it has to do with the sincerity and credibility of the AAP.
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
12182 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:30 pm to
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I looked it up.. I suggest you do the same.

I did. I couldn’t find what you claim is “plausible.” Is this your way of conceding it’s not there?

Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59463 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:32 pm to
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Burden physicians by requiring more individualized time and conversations with parents


My dad and a few brothers are doctors. I’m very pro-doctor. But this complaint is infuriating.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
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Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:33 pm to
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79971 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:41 pm to
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Instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood
Well, the above is bullshite. Simpsonwood was in 2001...
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So, out of an abundance of caution, in 1999 the AAP and the U.S. Public Health Service issued a joint statement that recommended that thimerosal be removed from childhood vaccines. By 2001 thimerosal had been taken out of all vaccines except some influenza vaccines in multidose vials. These are the only vaccines that still use the preservative today. “Since those vials have multiple punctures and could potentially be used for days to weeks, it prevents contamination,” Marino says.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:46 pm to
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Jake88


To be fair... infant flu doses came in multi-dose vials (w/thimersol) until the 2025/2026 flu season.

Not a big deal on its own, perhaps... but don't forget commercially prepared widely available baby formula has also recently been found to contain mercury.

Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22061 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:51 pm to
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All childhood vaccines in the United States have been thimerosal-free or contained only trace amounts since 2001.


Completely wrong. Many have thimerosol free variants but many still come with thimerosol. Our pediatrician carries both and you have to ask for the thimerosol free version if you want it.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79971 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:52 pm to
I know. And the finding of mercury in baby formula is not new. It happens around the world and for decades. Mercury occurs naturally. They also find arsenic and less frequently now, lead. Rice based formulas seem to be worst because it's in the crop.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9361 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:53 pm to
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why was this connection to autism not only kept hidden


It was kept hidden? Antivaxxers have been talking about this meeting and the connection non stop for 25 years.. They had public senate hearings about it in 2007.. Senate committee reviewed the allegations and found them to be largely without merit, concluding that the CDC had distributed the data and solicited outside opinions rather not hiding information.

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Continually denied by these agencies for decades?


B/c the research was inconclusive and promoting the idea fueling the rising antivax sentiment since the early 2000's could do more harm than good.

The consultants at Simpsonwood ultimately determined that the initial study could neither confirm nor rule out a link and called for further research. Subsequent, more robust studies, including a second phase of Verstraeten's research published in 2003, did not find a causal link between thimerosal and autism. Thimerosal was removed from routine childhood vaccines in the U.S. by 2001 as a precautionary measure, and autism rates continued to rise afterward, further indicating no causal link
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9361 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 2:59 pm to
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Completely wrong.



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but many still come with thimerosol


Trace amounts 1mcg compared to prior to 2001 of 25mcg.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79971 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 3:01 pm to
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The lawsuit argues that the vaccine modifications will:

- Burden physicians by requiring more individualized time and conversations with parents
I dont believe that tweet is being honest. The complaint is that doctors feel they will now need to explain how, in their opinion the new COVID vax schedule and effectiveness differs from that of HHS, not that they dont want to discuss risk vs benefit. From the lawsuit...
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Dr. Susan J. Kressly is the current President of the AAP. She has learned from AAP
members that, because of the May 19 Directive, AAP members are experiencing great frustration
and new barriers in effectively counseling patients and their families regarding the Covid vaccine.
AAP members believe that they are compromising the standard of care that they should be providing
to their patients due to the confusion and distrust created by the May 19 Directive. That Directive
has caused physician members to spend more time counseling patients regarding the effectiveness
of the Covid vaccines, which adds up to time and resources diverted from other patients. Due to the
confusion and lack of evidence-based data supporting the Secretary’s Directive modifying the
recommendation for Covid vaccinations for children ages six months to 17 years old, the AAP
ceased its endorsement of the CDC’s current Child and Adolescent Schedule, and instead published
and endorsed the CDC Child and Adolescent Immunization Schedule in effect prior to the issuance
of the Directive. The Directive has put all AAP members (and, indeed, all other physicians in this
country) in the untenable position of telling their patients that the country’s top-ranking government
health official’s advice and recommendations are wrong and that we are right. This erodes trust,
which is the foundation of a healthy physician-patient relationship and vital to the success of AAP
members’ medical practices.
98. AAP

I hope the suit goes nowhere but people on X sensationalize too much for clicks.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
21721 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 3:03 pm to
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I know. And the finding of mercury in baby formula is not new. It happens around the world and for decades. Mercury occurs naturally. They also find arsenic and less frequently now, lead. Rice based formulas seem to be worst because it's in the crop.


Cumulative effects of all sources of "trace" amounts should be considered. It seems near every product introduced to infants have trace amounts that considered separately are supposedly "okay", but I rarely see anything considering them all together or guidance on the cumulative intake.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22061 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 3:05 pm to
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Trace amounts 1mcg compared to prior to 2001 of 25mcg.


Please confirm for the gallery that you are now changing your claim that nothing contained thimerosol after 2001 to now you are merely claiming they just dont contain as much. Is this what you are moving the goalposts to?
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
21721 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 3:08 pm to
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Trace amounts 1mcg compared to prior to 2001 of 25mcg.


What was once considered "safe" (25mcg) is now not recommended... is it beyond the realm of possibility that 1mcg will be seen the same in the future?

Do we absolutely have it right now?
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9361 posts
Posted on 1/14/26 at 3:20 pm to
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Please confirm for the gallery that you are now changing your claim that nothing contained thimerosol after 2001 to now you are merely claiming they just dont contain as much. Is this what you are moving the goalposts to?


I did not say "that nothing contained thimerosal after 2001" I said "All childhood vaccines in the United States have been thimerosal-free or contained only trace amounts since 2001." I'm not moving goalposts. You just mis read my statement. Some went entirely thiomersal free and others went to only having trace amounts. And I provided the differences in amounts from prior to and after 2001. As far as much...you are just arguing to argue if you dont understand the difference b/t 25 micrograms and 1 microgram
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