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re: Catholic bishops approve drafting of Communion document that could lead to rebuke of Biden
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:55 pm to Zach
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:55 pm to Zach
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Oh, I don't agree with the numbers. I agreed with the poster's position. His numbers are wrong. It's over 90% post and 90% male. It's male gay priests with male boys.
Yeah I've heard the new reported numbers and it gets worse and worse for the "Homosexual priests have nothing to do with this" crowd.
The Pedophilia narrative is pushed hard so people don't admit that this was a homosexual group of priests and bishops who started hiding their homosexuality in the Church in the 50s, then brought new homosexuals in and created a monster inside of the Church. That's the problem.
No one wants to report on that.
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Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:56 pm to Nguyener
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That’s one of the most twisted and evil things revealed in my lifetime. I don’t understand how anyone can condone and defend that behavior as no big deal and just brush it off like they got busted price gouging catfish platters or something. The church was caught with a massive scandal covering up and enabling predators who destroyed children’s lives and for some reason most Catholics I talk to either refuse to admit that happened or want to just pretend it never did and move on.
Oh, the church is guilty. I left the church years ago but it was actually because they became socialist and started embracing moral relativism.
My problem with the 'gay' 'ped' issue is media. They use language incorrectly to protect gays.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:59 pm to Nguyener
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That’s one of the most twisted and evil things revealed in my lifetime. I don’t understand how anyone can condone and defend that behavior as no big deal and just brush it off like they got busted price gouging catfish platters or something.
No one defends it.
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The church was caught with a massive scandal covering up and enabling predators who destroyed children’s lives and for some reason most Catholics I talk to either refuse to admit that happened or want to just pretend it never did and move on.
100%
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I understand what the technical definition of pedophelia is. I understand the church didn’t sit down one day and decide to create a child predator protection ring. But there were pedophiles and they did spend who knows how much money aiding and covering for and supporting child predators and brutal evil lunatics. And I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone can argue that just no big deal whatever.
And here is the conversation. Why not start here?
Why start ith "The Catholic church funded a global pedophilia ring for decades." Why not start with the actual specifics.
Catholics get defensive because you take the stance that:
1) The CHurch promotes and supports this
2) That they fund it - that I see a line item for pedophilia when I donate
3) That this is a pedophilia scandal, rather than a manipulated homosexual scandal that the National Media at Large DOES NOT want to report on.
4) That there is nothing wrong with homosexual priests
Maybe start with the truth and people will engage.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:59 pm to Zach
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My problem with the 'gay' 'ped' issue is media. They use language incorrectly to protect gays.
Ding ding ding
It's well known that homosexuals specifically used and targeted the church for these reasons. This was the evil that happened.
They had 1) Access to Boys and Men 2) Could blend in with celibates 3) Could gain power and completely control administrative duties
People need to understand that it wasn't a bunch of homosexual priests who randomly got together - there was a targeted culture that sought to USE the Church for this purpose. They encouraged and built a network specifically aimed at operating within The Church and doing these exact things. Including protecting each other by moving priests around and by sabotaging and harassing other priests. That's the story.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:06 pm to Freauxzen
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And here is the conversation. Why not start here?
Why start ith "The Catholic church funded a global pedophilia ring for decades."
….because they did. They also funded other horrific things but part of it was pedophilia. And if it bothers you that I point that out without softening the blow by wrapping it up on other things. I’d call that hiding the reality of their pedophilia.
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Catholics get defensive because you take the stance that:
1) The CHurch promotes and supports this - they literally did
2) That they fund it - that I see a line item for pedophilia when I donate. - You understand that the church can fund things without your express consent right? The church as an organization funded it
3) That this is a pedophilia scandal, rather than a manipulated homosexual scandal that the National Media at Large DOES NOT want to report on. - You yourself said it was 25% pedophiles
4) That there is nothing wrong with homosexual priests - please show me one post anywhere ever where I said that or you can even infer it
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Maybe start with the truth and people will engage.
I did. You got angry that I only pointed out the pedophilia and not the other horrific evils and sex crimes. And you haven’t stopped yelling about that. And I do not understand that. And when I admitted that yes the church was involved in other horrible things your response was “thank you for admitting that.” And then I assume you just go on supporting the Catholic Church with a smile on your face?
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:07 pm to Nguyener
Every devout and practicing Roman Catholic here in the Unites States of America needs to understand that, one day, either they or some future Roman Catholics, have a very good chance of being crucified to death on a cross to pay for the sins of Catholics past, present and future. Here in the USA, at some future point.
I don't know whether any Christians of any other denominations will help crucify the Catholics. Doesn't matter. There will be plenty of other folks ready willing and able to do the job.
I don't know whether any Christians of any other denominations will help crucify the Catholics. Doesn't matter. There will be plenty of other folks ready willing and able to do the job.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:12 pm to Freauxzen
This. The Church was hijacked by a progressive group with sinister intentions hellbent on using the church to commit acts anathema to its fundamental tenets. It’s the same actions we’ve seen in media, medicine, government, law enforcement, corporations, scouting, and education.
Evil people using large organizations as cover to do horrible things, avoid accountability, and pervert the institutions themselves from their intended purpose, destroying them in the process.
FYI, it ain’t just the Catholic church either.
This crap needs to be rooted out of everywhere. The perpetrators and all those who knowingly covered for them put to death. It frustrates me to no end how powerless we are to stop institutional rape, pedophilia, and human trafficking. It frustrates me how communists are able to infiltrate and destroy our institutions like a virus until all those institutions are good for is promoting communism and making examples of dissenters and whistle-blowers.
Good on those bishops finally taking a stand for biblical teachings for once and voting to deny communion for abortion advocates. While I do not like politicizing religion, it is an absolute sham that these politicians can advocate for policies undermining religious teachings on one hand and swear up and down about their devout faith in that religion on the other. I appreciate the church for creating a means to call out this hypocrisy. Maybe the church wouldn’t be in such dire straits today if it had done the same with the homosexuals and pedos in the priesthood when they were abusing children and teens for decades and decades.
Evil people using large organizations as cover to do horrible things, avoid accountability, and pervert the institutions themselves from their intended purpose, destroying them in the process.
FYI, it ain’t just the Catholic church either.
This crap needs to be rooted out of everywhere. The perpetrators and all those who knowingly covered for them put to death. It frustrates me to no end how powerless we are to stop institutional rape, pedophilia, and human trafficking. It frustrates me how communists are able to infiltrate and destroy our institutions like a virus until all those institutions are good for is promoting communism and making examples of dissenters and whistle-blowers.
Good on those bishops finally taking a stand for biblical teachings for once and voting to deny communion for abortion advocates. While I do not like politicizing religion, it is an absolute sham that these politicians can advocate for policies undermining religious teachings on one hand and swear up and down about their devout faith in that religion on the other. I appreciate the church for creating a means to call out this hypocrisy. Maybe the church wouldn’t be in such dire straits today if it had done the same with the homosexuals and pedos in the priesthood when they were abusing children and teens for decades and decades.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:13 pm to TDsngumbo
The Eastern Orthodox Church is much closer to early Christianity.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:15 pm to kingbob
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The Church was hijacked by a progressive group with sinister intentions hellbent on using the church to commit acts anathema to its fundamental tenets
Yeh man. That’s how organized religion works. That’s human nature. We live in a flawed fallen world. Jesus showed up and fought organized religion and was killed for it. If you think his message was hey you should start another man-led hyper-centralized organized religion I believe you missed the entire point of his life and teachings.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:16 pm to Freauxzen
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The Pedophilia narrative is pushed hard so people don't admit that this was a homosexual group of priests and bishops who started hiding their homosexuality in the Church in the 50s, then brought new homosexuals in and created a monster inside of the Church. That's the problem.
No one wants to report on that.
The press would tear them to shreds for saying it.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:16 pm to Nguyener
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1) The CHurch promotes and supports this - they literally did
"The Church," literally didn't.
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You understand that the church can fund things without your express consent right? The church as an organization funded it
Was money used in the Church to move priests around, etc. Sure. Funding implies a budget line item or an obvious level of financial process.
Did nefarious bishops and priests hide and use money that existed within the church to do these things. Of course.
But again, why use "Funding" as if every Catholic is guilty of supporting it.
If that's the case then every American funds death at a massive scale. We've all funded drugs, human trafficking and probably pedophilia as well - any government official has ever used his salary to do something nefarious - then we've all funded every evil imaginable. See why that's a problem?
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3) That this is a pedophilia scandal, rather than a manipulated homosexual scandal that the National Media at Large DOES NOT want to report on. - You yourself said it was 25% pedophiles
Just because some dipped below the line doesn't mean the entire scandal, or the origins of it, are pedophilia in nature. That doesn't defend it but be precise if you want a conversation.
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4) That there is nothing wrong with homosexual priests - please show me one post anywhere ever where I said that or you can even infer it
You may not, but people who argue like you, and your response to #3 above, specifically avoid the ACTUAL problem.
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I did. You got angry that I only pointed out the pedophilia and not the other horrific evils and sex crimes. And you haven’t stopped yelling about that.
Who's yelling? Just because we disagree and are having a debate doesn't mean anyone is yelling or is angry. There are many people within the Church who did extreme evil, made some incalculable levels of evil. That is true.
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And when I admitted that yes the church was involved in other horrible things your response was “thank you for admitting that.”
That's wasn't the point of that, and again you KNOW that.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:19 pm to Nguyener
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Lol. Catholics.
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leaders of the Catholic Church
Does not equate. That’s like comparing you to Biden’s policies … do you support pedos?? Well, your president* does
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:20 pm to Nguyener
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Yeh man. That’s how organized religion works. That’s human nature. We live in a flawed fallen world. Jesus showed up and fought organized religion and was killed for it. If you think his message was hey you should start another man-led hyper-centralized organized religion I believe you missed the entire point of his life and teachings.
You do realize that's how organized "anything" works? This country. Other countries. The Red Cross. Public Schooling.
This is not about organized religion, it's about power and bad actors who seek to find and use power for their own evil means, it happens everywhere.
That's not defending the Church, but your crusade is hyper-focused acting like everyone else is innocent and only The Church is evil. Again, that's part of why it's hard to have an honest conversation.
For realizing "human nature," you sure seem to excuse a lot of it that isn't Catholic.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:24 pm to chaad
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leaders of the Catholic Church
There is only one leader of the Catholic Church.
So sayeth the Spider.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:26 pm to Freauxzen
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The Church," literally didn't.
The Church as is in the universal Christian community United in Christ? No we did not
The Church as in the fallible man made institution known as the Roman Catholic Church? Yes they literally did.
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If that's the case then every American funds death at a massive scale. We've all funded drugs, human trafficking and probably pedophilia as well - any government official has ever used his salary to do something nefarious - then we've all funded every evil imaginable.
You’re correct. That’s also a harsh reality of our existence. Again, the normal American citizen is not directly funding that, but the organization known as the American Federal government absolutely 100% is and it is much easier for all of us to ignore that fact than fight it. We all know what the government is doing and we all keep paying taxes and electing the same jackasses and letting them do it. On some level we are all complicit. I understand that’s not a fun thing to come to terms with, but it is reality. The only reason the American government is able to commit such evils is because we as a community allow it to.
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Just because some dipped below the line doesn't mean the entire scandal, or the origins of it, are pedophilia in nature.
Right. And I never said either of those things. But you admit some of it was pedophilic. And so saying they had a pedophile scandal is a factually correct statement. It may be incomplete but it is factually accurate.
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specifically avoid the ACTUAL problem.
Pedophilia is an actual problem. It may not be the only problem but it is an actual problem. The RCC covering up and hiding atrocities is a problem.
You’re dedication to semantics and cognitive dissonance is amazing to be honest.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:30 pm to Freauxzen
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You do realize that's how organized "anything" works? This country. Other countries. The Red Cross. Public Schooling.
Yes
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your crusade is hyper-focused acting like everyone else is innocent and only The Church is evil.
Please explain to me how you reached this conclusion. This doesn’t sound anything like anything I’ve posted on this board.
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For realizing "human nature," you sure seem to excuse a lot of it that isn't Catholic.
Provide one example of me doing this
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:38 pm to Nguyener
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Provide one example of me doing this
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The Church as in the fallible man made institution known as the Roman Catholic Church? Yes they literally did.
So this thing needs to be burned to the ground, but...
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You’re correct. That’s also a harsh reality of our existence. Again, the normal American citizen is not directly funding that, but the organization known as the American Federal government absolutely 100% is and it is much easier for all of us to ignore that fact than fight it. We all know what the government is doing and we all keep paying taxes and electing the same jackasses and letting them do it. On some level we are all complicit. I understand that’s not a fun thing to come to terms with, but it is reality. The only reason the American government is able to commit such evils is because we as a community allow it to.
This is just reality and it's ok?
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Right. And I never said either of those things. But you admit some of it was pedophilic. And so saying they had a pedophile scandal is a factually correct statement. It may be incomplete but it is factually accurate.
Right. But you are doing exactly what Media wants in this case:
You: Pedophilia in the Church
Me: But that's not the actual problem, the way to solve that problem is to look at the Homosexuality cult and the disordered nature of Homosexuality itself...
You: But pedophilia!
Me: Homosexuality
You: Pedophilia!
I'm not saying Pedophilia isn't A Problem and that the hiding of it ISN'T a problem, but there are people still in charge with great sin because NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY. That wasn't yelling, that was emphasis. That's the problem with the way this convo has drawn.
Every single person involved should be in jail, but we can't do that because of Media and Cultural pressure to make this about something it isn't actually about.
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Pedophilia is an actual problem. It may not be the only problem but it is an actual problem. The RCC covering up and hiding atrocities is a problem.
Yes, and you know the point of my statement wasn't to say it wasn't a problem, but the ACTUAL problem, the thing driving that thing, is something different.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:45 pm to Nguyener
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Their top leaders of their entire organization support pedophilia and their capital
This statement is the very definition of the secundum quid et simpliciter fallacy. This fallacy underlies both Critical Race Theory and arguments promoting the idea that the United Stares was founded on the premise of systematic White Supremacy.
Congratulations. You are in fine company here.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:45 pm to Freauxzen
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This is just reality and it's ok?
No. It’s not ok: and if you would take a look at my post history you would see I often advocate for the end of the current American Federal Government system.
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You: Pedophilia in the Church
Me: But that's not the actual problem, the way to solve that problem is to look at the Homosexuality cult and the disordered nature of Homosexuality itself...
You: But pedophilia!
Me: Homosexuality
You: Pedophilia!
Is that honestly how you think this is going? I’ve admitted in every single response to you that the problem is larger than just pedophilia and more than just pedophilia needs to be addressed. Every post. You even pointed that fact out to me 2 posts ago and then chastised me for it.
I think we agree on a lot but every time I say pedopholia is evil and a problem your response is yeah but there’s other problems too. That’s just a weird response man. And to be fair much of this is probably the fault of message board conversation format instead of in person talking. You can’t flesh ideas out the same way.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:46 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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This statement is the very definition of the secundum quid et simpliciter fallacy. This fallacy underlies both Critical Race Theory and arguments promoting the idea that the United Stares was founded on the premise of systematic White Supremacy.
Dude. What are babbling about?
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