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Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:33 pm to TDsngumbo
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quote: The Catholic Church is not the end all be all of Christianity. But it is the beginning of all
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I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
I think someone other than the Catholics claimed that already..
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:34 pm to Freauxzen
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75% of the cases were post-pubescent, which means they weren't pedophilia and were in fact more related to the homosexual priest problem in the church and not a "pedophilia ring." 8 of every 10 cases were male.
Absolutely correct. And I got my only ban from this site because I was trying to explain that 90% of the posters on this board have no idea what the definition of pedophilia is. They still don't. The priest problem was gay sex and it's called pedo in the media because you can't have news stories critical of gays.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:35 pm to Nguyener
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No. It isn’t. Jesus is.
Ok, not the beginning of Christianity but we are carrying on Jesus’s teachings and Word. No other church has direct ties straight back to Jesus.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:36 pm to Zach
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75% of the cases were post-pubescent
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Absolutely correct.
So 25% of the cases were pre-pubescent?
Why are you defending that? Why would anyone defend that?
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:36 pm to TDsngumbo
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No other church has direct ties straight back to Jesus.
What are you even talking about?
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:37 pm to stout
This really shouldn’t be this hard or complicated. Shows how bad the Catholic Church currently has fallen.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:38 pm to Freauxzen
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Yeah that's not a fact at all.
75% of the cases were post-pubescent, which means they weren't pedophilia and were in fact more related to the homosexual priest problem in the church and not a "pedophilia ring." 8 of every 10 cases were male.
But don't let facts get in the way of the "factual" narrative.
Holy shite. Does it matter how you want to categorize it? So if it’s just homosexuality and not pedophilia, is it somehow more palatable? It was KIDS who were vicitimized.
Priests routinely committed sexual abuse against KIDS and the higher ups in the parishes, dioceses — those who were charged with the responsibility of stopping it and alerting authorities— turned a blind eye to it, in many cases letting predator priests be relocated to other parishes when hiding their crimes became too difficult.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:38 pm to Nguyener
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Oh. Ok. I’m sorry.
The Catholic Church hid, funded, and supported a mostly homosexual teenage-aged sex ring with occasional pedophilia and underaged teen sex grooming.
Well that's also incorrect, but continue the outrage.
The Catholic Church didn't "hide," a group of powerful clergy did. They didn't "fund," it either, but as with any organization when something bad happens, yes money that was in possession was used. The Church itself, in practice, wasn't line item funding it. Geeze.
I could go on but you're using inaccurate, but incendiary language in outrage, rather than facts.
I'm not trying to defend, but if you're going to go all out and say "facts," at least say actual facts rather than inaccurate ramblings.
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Is that better for you? Does that somehow make it ok?
So you admit that your "facts," are actually not "facts?"Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:38 pm to TDsngumbo
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Ok, not the beginning of Christianity but we are carrying on Jesus’s teachings and Word. No other church has direct ties straight back to Jesus.
Every Christian has a direct tie to Jesus..churches are simply collectives of Christians. Jesus doesn’t care about statues of Mary, sacred oils, papal jewels, pomp and circumstance or even what the pope has to say about anyone’s salvation.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:41 pm to Nguyener
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Nguyener
Thou talk'st of nothing.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:41 pm to Dawgfanman
But what about the GELGEMEKS?!!
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:43 pm to Freauxzen
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The Catholic Church didn't "hide," a group of powerful clergy did.
So the clergy and leaders don’t make up the church?
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They didn't "fund," it either, but as with any organization when something bad happens, yes money that was in possession was used.
Yeah man. This is an insane logic jump. They didn’t fund it they just used their money to pay for everything. That’s the statement you’re going with?
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The Church itself, in practice, wasn't line item funding it
How’s this:
The leaders of the church but not the church itself used church money not to specifically fund but to deliberately finance and hide a ring that in your own words was only 25% pedophiles but mostly teenaged gay sex.
How’s that? That’s what you’re comfortable defending?
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:47 pm to Nguyener
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So 25% of the cases were pre-pubescent? Why are you defending that? Why would anyone defend that?
Oh, I don't agree with the numbers. I agreed with the poster's position. His numbers are wrong. It's over 90% post and 90% male. It's male gay priests with male boys.
Also, I'm currently reading a book on the subject. A very high percentage of the boys were from homes without a dad. Either divorce or mom got pregnant and guy just left. The boys are post puberty but suffering from no Dad syndrome and the priests take advantage.
This is just another reason why the 4th wave feminist war on men is hurting young boys who really need dads.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:48 pm to Nguyener
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So the clergy and leaders don’t make up the church?
They are part of the Church but do not make up the Church. Jesus Christ makes up the Church.
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The leaders of the church
Jesus Christ is the leader of the Church.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:51 pm to Freauxzen
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The Catholic Church didn't "hide," a group of powerful clergy did.
Ok, Mr. Semantics.
Like it or not, what those men did to those boys followed by the upper managers of Jesus' house actively conspiring, threatening families and paying people off to cover it up put the church AND the religion itself in a bad light. Not many people want to be associated with an organization that has been luke warm at best on these issues while seemly only worrying about the integrity of the organization and not with the victims.
ETA: 14 years Pre k - 12th of Catholic school and being raised by a family who was all in on Catholocism.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:51 pm to Zach
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A very high percentage of the boys were from homes without a dad. Either divorce or mom got pregnant and guy just left. The boys are post puberty but suffering from no Dad syndrome and the priests take advantage.
That’s one of the most twisted and evil things revealed in my lifetime. I don’t understand how anyone can condone and defend that behavior as no big deal and just brush it off like they got busted price gouging catfish platters or something.
The church was caught with a massive scandal covering up and enabling predators who destroyed children’s lives and for some reason most Catholics I talk to either refuse to admit that happened or want to just pretend it never did and move on.
I understand what the technical definition of pedophelia is. I understand the church didn’t sit down one day and decide to create a child predator protection ring. But there were pedophiles and they did spend who knows how much money aiding and covering for and supporting child predators and brutal evil lunatics. And I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone can argue that just no big deal whatever.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:51 pm to ShoeBang
quote:if they gave consent, yes better than 10 year old girls
15 year old boys
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:53 pm to ibldprplgld
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Holy shite. Does it matter how you want to categorize it? So if it’s just homosexuality and not pedophilia, is it somehow more palatable? It was KIDS who were vicitimized.
It matters to having an honest discussion about it yes. And it matters for where and how this started, why it happened etc.
You can't look around at the "Pride," issues in this country and our changing view of things like transgenderism, homosexuality, etc. and not see a correlation. Maybe this happened somewhere else first? Maybe the problem isn't "The Church," or at least not the start of the problem...
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Priests routinely committed sexual abuse against KIDS and the higher ups in the parishes, dioceses — those who were charged with the responsibility of stopping it and alerting authorities— turned a blind eye to it, in many cases letting predator priests be relocated to other parishes when hiding their crimes became too difficult.
There's no defending it this was just as bad as letting it happen in the first place.
Only some people knew who was being pushed around and why they were being pushed around. It's very common for priests to be moved around, that's always been the case. It typically was a group of Bishops doing this.
Every single one should be in jail for sure. But it's not a massive amount of people, the people "in the know," were select. Unless you count rumor mills.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:54 pm to RollTide1987
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They are part of the Church but do not make up the Church. Jesus Christ makes up the Church.
Jesus Christ is the leader of the universal Christian Church. The Roman Catholic Church is a very separate entity.
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Jesus Christ is the leader of the Church.
I agree.
Roman Catholics do not. They believe a man named Peter was left in charge and all of the Popes since then are a direct line to God above everyone else and without a man in a priest uniform doing certain things you cannot fully experience God.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 3:57 pm
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