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re: Catherine Herridge is tearing this Dem memo apart. ETA: diGenova speaks out: "silly memo"
Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:32 pm to texridder
Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:32 pm to texridder
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but does NOT REFUTE the republican memo where McCabe states in his testimony that the FISA would NOT have been sought if not for the Steele dossier.
Nunes admitted in a live Fox interview that McCabe never expressly testified to what is in the Memo. Nunes said what is in the Memo was Nunes' OWN summary of McCabe's testimony as a whole.
Nunes said he would release McCabe's testiomy transcript to prove what McCabe said.
Yet, Nunes hasn't even tried to get the transcript released.
So Catherine Herridge doesn't know what she is talking about.
That is precisely Herridge’s point. If what Nunes put in his memo about McCabe was not true, then one would think that the Democrats would refute what he stated in his memo during their own rebuttal. And they did no such thing.
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:33 pm to texridder
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Do you think from that disclosure the FISA Judge got the drift that Steele's info was campaign opposition research to be used to discredit an opponent's campaign?
Why not just say Hillary Clinton and DNC? Why hide them behind "U.S. Person"? The FBI is under no obligation to hide their names.
But even that misses the point. The FBI used a phony dossier to get a FISA warrant. Without the dossier they do not even attempt to get the warrant.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 4:58 pm to AUstar
quote:They can't say Clinton because it is FISA, she is a U.S. citizen, and she wasn't the subject of the nvestigation.
Why not just say Hillary Clinton and DNC?
Now the DMC is another matter.
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Without the dossier they do not even attempt to get the warrant.
They had a lot of background on Flynn. Maybe they would have gone for it without the point of information on the 2016 meeting with Russia in the dossier..
Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:03 pm to texridder
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the DMC is another matter.
Why?
Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:16 pm to texridder
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They can't say Clinton because it is FISA, she is a U.S. citizen, and she wasn't the subject of the nvestigation.
The FISA court is a secret court for a reason. They deal with sensitive information and therefore have a right to have names "unmasked" when it comes to issuing warrants. It seems to me that the FISA judge had to know this was about Trump's campaign and therefore the judge should have been made aware of who exactly was funding Steele. Whether there is some special procedure the court has to go through to request that information, I don't know. But I would bet the judge could do so. If I am wrong, perhaps a TD attorney could correct me.
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They had a lot of background on Flynn. Maybe they would have gone for it without the point of information on the 2016 meeting with Russia in the dossier..
Page's trip to Moscow was public knowledge at the time it happened (and is why Trump fired him). They didn't need the dossier for that.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:19 pm to BBONDS25
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the DMC is another matter.
Why?
Because it is not an individual.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:21 pm to texridder
quote:They damn sure could have cited the Clinton Campaign
They can't say Clinton because it is FISA
Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:26 pm to AUstar
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Page's trip to Moscow was public knowledge at the time it happened (and is why Trump fired him). They didn't need the dossier for that.
The trip itself was, but not what allegedly occurred during the trip.
For whatever reason, I haven't see where either side has said exactly which part or parts of the dossier were included in the application.
Sort of dumb that neither side has. It seems like it would add to one side or the other's argument.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:27 pm to texridder
Interesting. I have never heard that distinction with FISA courts before. Entities do not have 4th Amendment rights. Is that the contention? So a company, say the trump organization, could be tapped without a warrant?
Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:31 pm to texridder
On the FISA application masking issue. Byron York makes a great point:
Boom. They didn't say it was paid for by candidate 2's campaign. They only said "U.S law firm."
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Hearing Dems say masking requirements meant FBI could not explicitly tell FISA court Steele dossier was paid for by Clinton campaign. If so, couldn't FBI have said dossier was paid for by Candidate #2's campaign, through U.S.-based law firm?
Boom. They didn't say it was paid for by candidate 2's campaign. They only said "U.S law firm."
Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:33 pm to BBONDS25
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Interesting. I have never heard that distinction with FISA courts before. Entities do not have 4th Amendment rights. Is that the contention? So a company, say the trump organization, could be tapped without a warrant?
No, he's saying that entities also have 4th amendment rights and, therefore, must also be masked.
(Actually he didn't say that. He is wrong. Entities also have 4th amendment rights, though, and have to be treated the same as individuals).
This post was edited on 2/25/18 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 2/25/18 at 5:37 pm to Cali 4 LSU
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dems be crawfishin
because they was lyin'. it is what dems & prog filth do.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 6:31 pm to Rex
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Didn't happen, which means Catherine Herridge is full of shite.
DID happen, which means YOU are full of shite.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 6:38 pm to texridder
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She doesn't know her stuff if she is saying that MCabe testified to what Nunes put in the Memo, when Nunes has admitted that he was summarizing his OWN opinion of McCabe's testimony as a whole.
Well, hell, who are you going to believe if not someone IN THE DAMN ROOM during the testimony!? Let's not forget about Trey Gowdy, the one who has actually SEEN the FISA application. He wrote the damn memo!!!
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Mccabe's testimony is pretty important in the scheme of Nunes' Memo. That's not a good thing to be wrong about.
Correct. Plus the FISA application itself b/c what if McCabe lied? But again, Gowdy has seen it and wrote the Nunes memo....how is this lost on people!?
Posted on 2/25/18 at 6:52 pm to texridder
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Do you think from that disclosure the FISA Judge got the drift that Steele's info was campaign opposition research to be used to discredit an opponent's campaign?
This is crazy! An opponent should in no way, shape, or form be able to accuse you of something because it is ALWAYS going to be negative & possibly wrong. Which is why this is such a big deal. And if a FISA judge approved of this spying KNOWING it came from an opponent, how corrupt is that?!?!? I mean, Contreras was forcibly removed from Flynn's case----what does it all mean!?
Posted on 2/25/18 at 7:04 pm to JuiceTerry
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I knew the hopes and dreams that people like you had about a memo were hilarious from jump street.
It's not really hilarious, but sad that politicians let our democracy come to this. Weaponizing the FBI & DOJ is appalling & Obama did just that, along with the IRS & God knows what else!!
Posted on 2/25/18 at 7:09 pm to texridder
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They can't say Clinton because it is FISA, she is a U.S. citizen, and she wasn't the subject of the nvestigation.
Does this talking point even apply here?
I thought unmasking only applied to surveillance.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 7:34 pm to texridder
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They can't say Clinton because it is FISA, she is a U.S. citizen, and she wasn't the subject of the nvestigation.
Not according to Trey Gowdy.
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They had a lot of background on Flynn. Maybe they would have gone for it without the point of information on the 2016 meeting with Russia in the dossier..
Again, not according to Trey Gowdy...ya know, the one who ACTUALLY VIEWED the FISA application. Here, he explains it:
Gowdy: Dem rebuttal doesn't change anything about GOP memo
Posted on 2/25/18 at 8:58 pm to texridder
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That's your opinion. But, that really isn't the issue, is it? The issue is whether the warrant was properly issued.
No it isnt.
And now that we know the FBI was dishonest we know the warrant is in question.
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:35 pm to Cali 4 LSU
Both memo’s are ignorant and partisan.
They are both full of opinions with bits of facts. Neither should have been released and it was just politics to write them in the first place.
Just like Clinton with Whitewater people lying seems to be what both investigations have in common.
They are both full of opinions with bits of facts. Neither should have been released and it was just politics to write them in the first place.
Just like Clinton with Whitewater people lying seems to be what both investigations have in common.
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