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re: Catherine Herridge is tearing this Dem memo apart. ETA: diGenova speaks out: "silly memo"

Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:45 pm to
Posted by texridder
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:45 pm to
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Gowdy: Dem rebuttal doesn't change anything about GOP memo

Gowdy basically provided the outline for the original Nunes memo. Do you think that he is come out and say that the Demo Rebuttal Memo disproved the Nunes Memo.

You act like he is the final objective arbiter on the subject. That's laughable.

Gowdy also said when the Nunes Memo came out that the Memo did not affect his opinion that the Mueller investigation should continue.
Posted by Cali 4 LSU
GEAUX TIGERS!
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:20 pm to
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Both memo’s are ignorant and partisan.


We deserve to know the TRUTH!
Posted by Cali 4 LSU
GEAUX TIGERS!
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 2/25/18 at 10:56 pm to
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You act like he is the final objective arbiter on the subject. That's laughable.


How so?
1. He was in the room when McCabe testified
AND
2. If #1 isn't enough, he SAW THE ACTUAL FISA APPLICATION!


So are you saying that Gowdy is lying? Have you ever known him to lie? He heard the testimony, saw the actual FISA app, & wrote most of the Nunes memo. What exactly are you questioning?

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Gowdy also said when the Nunes Memo came out that the Memo did not affect his opinion that the Mueller investigation should continue.


So do you believe him on that point? He said this because he feels the Russians truly did try to interfere in our election & that there is a counterintelligence investigation which Mueller is conducting & Gowdy feels is necessary. He feels they penetrated the Trump campaign via the Trump Tower meeting & through a company (can't remember name). He feels that the DNC emails were truly hacked, along with others. He feels that Papadoc did have a meeting. All those things need investigating. Not that it implicates Trump but that there is criminality & counterintelligence out there. What's wrong with that!?

Rep. Gowdy: You have Mueller with or without a dossier
Posted by Cali 4 LSU
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Posted on 2/26/18 at 3:02 pm to
ETA 2/26:

Joe DiGenova: Schiff Memo | FBI Dir. Wray | Carter Page | NRA | Rosenstein | Sheriff Scott Israel
Now Joe diGenova speaks out & says the dem "silly" memo has the most glaring omission possible. The fact it makes no mention of the McCabe testimony that "but for the Steele dossier the affidavit in support of the warrant to the FISC never would have been submitted" isn't even addressed. They ignore it completely & it dessimates their memo. In addition, according to the DEM MEMO itself, the FBI & DOJ NEVER told the FISC that the source of the Steele dossier was the Clinton campaign & the DNC. And finally, the Carter Page warrant was initially denied in June 2016 & was only granted once the Steele dossier was included!!! The FBI went around looking for stuff to obtain that warrant! Rosenstein needs to appoint a grand jury. All senior Obama DOJ officials, along with FBI officials need to be questioned by this grand jury, under penalty of perjury. There is unmasking which is questionable & there is also LEAKING in which there is already 27 investigations underway. There could already be a grand jury underway in this case by the AG BUT we have no evidence of that---they are just investigating the leaks.

He further states that dems are OK with destroying the FBI & DOJ in service to the dem party. Dirty & slithering (he mentions Schiff specifically).

Also, he says a FISA warrant isn't as high a standard as an actual criminal warrant. Interesting.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 6:57 pm to
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Adam Schiff and other Democrats have certainly and very conspicuously denied much of the content of THE MEMO.
no they have not. they said it "lacked context." what they meant was that the warrant was not completely dependent on the dossier, which everyone knows is a lie and several people are on record saying as such. moreover, their "memo" does not deny the contents of the nunes memo.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 6:59 pm to
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Nunes has admitted that he was summarizing his OWN opinion of McCabe's testimony as a whole
you keep acting like nunes is just making up stuff out of thin air. no one is denying what is in the memo. not even the dem response
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36318 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 7:00 pm to
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I actually trusted him to do the right thing in the beginning.

Why? The FBI has always abused the rights of American citizens it deems a threat. They aren't supposed to be trusted in the first place.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 7:02 pm to
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either she doesn't know about Nunes' admission about McCabe's testimony, or she has chosen to disregard that inconvenient fact.
you keep acting this is something when it's not. perhaps because everybody else knows that nunes isn't making things up like you think he is. it's not a partisan document. it's just a summary of what everyone else already knows. the dem response is that it's TOO selective/condensed, not that it's false. apparently, you're the only person who hasn't caught on to this
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 7:03 pm to
When someone lays out the "both are bad" bullshite that is the sound of the left capitulating.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 7:28 pm to
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This is what the warrant said according to the Democrats' Memo
first, it's funny that the dems are discrediting the nunes memo but expect everyone to just accept theirs as gospel truth. second, as stated in the nunes memo, this note does not disclose the political nature. it says obliquely that the person might ALSO have been looking for political information, not that steele was hired to do that specifically. the "research" was about russian ties, not campaign issues. nunes/gowdy/et al, were right. third, even if this note were more explicit and forthcoming, the issue still stands. either the fbi lied, the fisc didn't read the note or they were both complicit for issuing a baseless, unjustified warrant. the fbi is still on the hook for page investigation and they would never have even approached the fisc with this crapshow unless it were politically motivated. the only remaining question is the complicity of the fisc
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 7:30 pm to
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The Memo should provide the source material for every accusation. Which, of course, it did not.
yet everyone who has seen the source material confirms the nunes summary and no one is denying the contents of the memo, not even the dem response

Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 7:31 pm to
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That's your opinion
no, it's not opinion. it's brute fact. the fbi should never have approached the fisc with this garbage and everyone knows this.

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The issue is whether the warrant was properly issued
this an ADDITIONAL issue. was the fisc complicit in issuing an unjustified warrant?
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 7:34 pm to
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They can't say Clinton because it is FISA, she is a U.S. citizen, and she wasn't the subject of the nvestigation
so they didn't reveal the political nature of the request. thank you for acknowledging what we've all been trying to say
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
16822 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 7:35 pm to
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Rosenstein needs to appoint a grand jury. All senior Obama DOJ officials, along with FBI officials need to be questioned by this grand jury, under penalty of perjury.


Houston, we have a problem.

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All senior Obama DOJ officials

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Rosenstein


Picking up what I'm laying down?

Sessions needs to lead this ASAP.
This post was edited on 2/26/18 at 7:36 pm
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 7:40 pm to
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Both memo’s are ignorant and partisan. They are both full of opinions with bits of facts
absurd. EVERYONE acknowledges that the fbi should not have approached the fisc with this case and a fisa warrant should never have been issued for this case. that means the nunes memo is asking the right questions and the dem memo is trying to keep people from asking questions about the process.

but you're right, we should just let it go
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 7:44 pm to
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so they didn't reveal the political nature of the request.
Just stop if you're going to lie
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:11 pm to
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Just stop if you're going to lie
i explained it plainly and you didn't even bother to address it. multiple people have pointed out that the fbi wasn't forthcoming so it isn't just me. everyone who is reasonable acknowledges that the fbi went to the court with a crap case and that the court should have never issued the warrant. the only question left to answer at this point is if the court was complicit or if the fbi sufficiently lied to them so as to mislead them.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:31 pm to
It's been addressed. The warrant app says the FBI speculated that the dossier was likely politically motivated and looking to discredit the Trump campaign. That's why it wasn't the only piece of evidence used.

That pretty much ends Nunes' bombshell and proves that his memo was inaccurate and incomplete

And lol at Nunes complaining because the FBI didn't use names. That's his crusade isn't it?

As I said, though, the whole committee is a farce and should be disbanded yesterday
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 10:47 am to
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It's been addressed
no it hasn't. all you did was just repeat what was refuted by several people in this thread. but i agree that's all you have. just repeat leftist talking points and not actually engage the issue.

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That pretty much ends Nunes' bombshell and proves that his memo was inaccurate and incomplete
well this matter should just disappear if you're correct, right?

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And lol at Nunes complaining because the FBI didn't use names
yeah there was more to it than that. you know it but it's predictable for you to act like there wasn't more to it.

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As I said, though, the whole committee is a farce and should be disbanded yesterday
the house intelligence committee.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 2/27/18 at 10:50 am to
and btw, i do notice that you are performing the customary miss the forest for the trees leftist routine. given all the revelations about this case that show a clear pattern of weaponizing the fbi (the note we're discussing is just the tip of the spear), it's disturbing that you aren't concerned like genuine us citizens are. if the situation were reversed, the left would be incensed.
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