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re: Category: Rifle rounds you can buy at Walmart more powerful than a .223
Posted on 6/26/19 at 8:15 am to ljhog
Posted on 6/26/19 at 8:15 am to ljhog
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f = mass X velocity squared
anyway you slice it the AK is a superior weapon IMO
Agreed. Better round and more reliable.
If I were in a live or die situation, and had a choice between an AR or AK, I'd take the AK everytime. Not that the AR is bad, the AK is just better if your goal is to live to tell the tale.
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 8:18 am to Trevaylin
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I carry a 223 bolt action with me for the turkey. its flat shooting and accurate. using fmj rounds
Well no shite. Shoot a fmj in the 7mm mag and you will get roughly the same result, and if you used a hollow point in the .223 you would get closer to the result of the 7mm mag hunting round.
Your situation has more to do with the bullet choice than the round.
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a 223 should not be used for deer, too many will walk off to die
I know a guy that has started his kids off deer hunting with a .223/5.56. He said they have never had a deer that they didn't recover and none ran more than 50 yds. Now he took them to the range taught them to shoot and kept the shoots within 100 yds.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 8:21 am
Posted on 6/26/19 at 8:19 am to greygoose
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Agreed. Better round and more reliable. If I were in a live or die situation, and had a choice between an AR or AK, I'd take the AK everytime. Not that the AR is bad, the AK is just better if your goal is to live to tell the tale.
Round preference is debatable. But just like you, if I were going to grab one gun to run to a battlefield with between AR or AK... it's going to be the AK.
Big reason is that I feel the AK is a more reliable platform that requires less battlefield maintenance.
This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 8:20 am
Posted on 6/26/19 at 8:23 am to Strannix
Anyone who thinks the .223/56 makes some sort of especially bad wound compared to other rounds have never seen what a 7mm Mag, 30.06, or .308 does to flesh and bone.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 8:30 am to Darth_Vader
Hell the .300 blackout that my kids hunt with is absolutely devastating within 150 yds. It’s a .223 case necked up to accept .30 caliber projectiles for the non gun savy in here. Moving only 2250 FPS at the muzzle the solid copper ballistic tipped round did a complete pass through on a 250lb boar. Shattering both shoulders and turning everything in between to jelly. Guns are tools and each was created for a specific role. To state that the .223 is a magic killing machine is laughable.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 10:00 pm to SidewalkDawg
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Big reason is that I feel the AK is a more reliable platform that requires less battlefield maintenance.
Years after the Vietnam War was over, some American Vets went back looking for soldiers whose bodies weren't recovered. They found a Viet Cong body, decomposed in the jungle heat for years. Underneath was his AK. It fired after being left in the dirt, with a decomposed body on top of it.
There are tons of Youtube videos showing extreme abuse to that platform, and it still fires. That's the gun I want if all Hell breaks loose.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 10:05 pm to SidewalkDawg
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Round preference is debatable.
Take a look at the ballistics gelatin testing between the 5.56 and the 5.45.
Cavitation is much more pronounced with the 5.45. There's a reason why the Afhanis gave that round a nickname.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 11:36 pm to greygoose
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There are tons of Youtube videos showing extreme abuse to that platform, and it still fires. That's the gun I want if all Hell breaks loose.
You can find more videos of AK-style rifles that suffer catastrophic failures with only 1500 rounds through them. Unbelievable the amount of mythology spouted off about both platforms and almost none of it based on reality. Unless you are buying a very authentic AK made in a factory that knows what it's doing (read: Not Century Arms, IO, or any number of shops/importers selling junk clones slapped full of cheap 922r compliance parts) chances are you are getting something that will not outlast even the most low-rent PSA AR-15. I have a Serbian AK-clone and while it's a good little plinker my AR-15's are what I'm grabbing if shite hits the fan.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 11:48 pm to greygoose
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Take a look at the ballistics gelatin testing between the 5.56 and the 5.45.
Between which versions? M855 vs 7N6? M193? 75gr Hornady TAP? 50gr Barnes TSX? A gelatin test means nothing by itself. M855 round that fragments in ballistic gel vs one that doesn't is going to produce very different results. M855A1 is going to produce much different results too.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 12:01 am to Possumslayer
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The candy and chip isle at Walmart will kill more people than the bullets they will sell
Or their mothers lack of attention.
Sidenote, a diaper on a kid and nothing else does not equal clothes.
Please dress before you go to the store...and a bathrobe and flip-flops isn's dressing for the public, that's just going down to your kitchen...to heat up some Pop Tarts and munch on some Cheetos.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 8:19 am to Clames
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Unless you are buying a very authentic AK made in a factory that knows what it's doing
I own a Molot Vepr 12 AND AK74.
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 8:21 am
Posted on 6/27/19 at 8:30 am to bayoudude
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It’s a .223 case necked up to accept .30 caliber projectiles for the non gun savy in here.
It is NOT a .223 case necked up. It is a .223 case trimmed down (0.400") and necked down.
.223 on the left with a necked down .300 blackout on the right.
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