re: Carney's Team Humiliated In D.C. — Not A Single Meeting Secured

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If you are unwilling to acknowledge the targeted political attacks on free speech and the detractors of Canadian liberal ideology brought forth by Trudeau and his cronies then dishonesty is just the beginning point of your naivity

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I can acknowledge them and still realize Canada isn't a dictatorship. The Canadians voted the Liberals in again (due in no small part to Trump's 51st nonsense). If that is what they want, what am I supposed to do about it?

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guns?

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Yeah that's gay.

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LGBT shite?
see where they

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Don't give a shite

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Canadian measure would remove free speech protection for quoting Bible, sacred texts

i could go on and on. use your fricking brain

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Use yours and read the link. A measure proposed by a secessionist Québécois party who is not even in the government isn't a meaningful example of anything.

You also realize that the Online Harms Act did not pass, right?

ahhh yes now cherry picking after i gave you issues and made you look dumb

the draconian DWI and gun laws did pass dipshit

the fact those others were even put up shows how bad it is there.

just STFU groomer pos since you love the LGBT stuff

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Think they were with us when they stupidly called for a two-state Palestinian solution?

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When "they" stupidly called for a two state solution to Palestine?

Holy frick, not only are you reaching for anything you can get to rationalize a hatred for our closest ally, but you don't know shite about Palestine and the two state proposition.

"The principle of a two-state solution mediated by the
United States and supported by neighboring Arab states was
the basis for subsequent rounds of Israeli-Palestinian
negotiations in 2007-2008 and 2013-2014."

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Only in context of US support.

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You realize we have a historical version of the world where the Canadians executed a foreign policy that was without US support, right? Do you know what that looked like?

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Because one didn't develop.

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Because of Canada's geographic location. There is a cause and effect here. States take what they can. States with less defensible borders coincidentally have to spend more on defense than states that do have defensible borders. Canada's geographic features exist independently of US foreign policy and military prowess.

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There are different questions about where you plan to launch a military invasion vs where you gobble up after winning the war.

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Except there are serious questions as to what the USSR could gobble up at any point in time after 1950 or so. Again, countries do not have limitless resources.

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Exactly what I described, if NATO had failed it would have been a matter of time before they would have had Soviet attempted Coups and snipping off of northern parts for resources (Some First nation peoples republic).

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Possibly, but that still isn't a direct military intervention, which is the notion that I have tried to disabuse. And in such an event, why can't we imagine some NATO-led revanchism, similar to Russian revanchism that drives the Russian nationalists? That is just as valid as the rest of these fictions.

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China does have two active aircraft carriers that Canada couldn't throw a maple leaf at. One destroyer could move up and down their western coast doing whatever it wanted

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I am skeptical of China's force projection abilities. Let us see them actually dominate the South Pacific and win that theater before we imagine them rampaging along the North American coast.

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And we can't talk of lack of war experience, the US hasn't had much of a challenge since the Cuba missile crises.

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We have far more experience than the Chinese, especially in terms of logistics. We've participated in several different types of operations and gained a lot of good experience from it. Moreover, we've shown the ability to project force in a way the Chinese have yet to.

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Their ghost fleet was built to be their supply chain and intelligence gathering, all deep water capable and able to move large amounts of troops anywhere they need to be while posing as commercial shipping.

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The Central and Eastern Pacific regions present entirely different challenges than the Southwestern Pacific, where the US is preparing for a possible clash with the Chinese.

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More like the enemy is already there with the ability to be armed when needed.

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Like sleeper cells or something? I am skeptical of that actually working without direct military intervention from the parent force. Unless the point is just to cause chaos.

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Except for their stated plans for North America, which differ from this fiction.

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Their stated plans are fiction.

We all know this.

You act like they were some nice Marxist teddy bear.

What were our plans for Ukraine and Uzbekistan during the cold war.

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The threat from the Soviets to Canada was mainly based off threats to the US itself from missiles and bombers, not from a potential expedition like that moron alluded to earlier.

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Again, what was the Japanese threat to India in 1930?
The German threat to Egypt in 1933?

Threats develop over time.

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Again, Canada has a unique geographic situation which gives it some advantages relative to its security.

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You've told yourself this so many times you pretend it's true.

The fact is the US has been keeping order in North America for a long time.
Canada is like how a well policed neighborhood has no threats.
it only has no threats because it's in a long term well policed neighborhood.

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But if you imagine that a French state was established in Quebec, or if there were several states to their South (in case the US broke apart) that would change the geopolitical metrics. But that change would include everyone in North America.

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How did Marxism get to Kenya?

Wagner mercs in Africa?

Why is Cuba communist?

Marxism was a global phenomena, the cold war was fought on a number of fronts.

Even now, China is suborning countries around the world.

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Secondly, you are imagining a very particular scenario where for some reason the US security umbrella would not intervene on some imaginary attack on Canada.

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You keep making his point.

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If Canada was a closed off country, like Mexico was for long periods, they would still benefit from the US security umbrella because of the geography of the US as well as US interests. If the Atlantic relationship dissolved tomorrow (it won't), they still wouldn't be in danger to some nameless global predators

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You keep trying make his point yours.