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re: Candace Owens says govt is behind MN church shooting
Posted on 8/28/25 at 7:55 am to wackatimesthree
Posted on 8/28/25 at 7:55 am to wackatimesthree
This whole story seems odd to me
The handwriting on the guns.. I have also heard “legit” news outlets say that he sprayed down the side of the building shooting through the stained glass windows and then I have heard that the dude walked inside of the church and started shooting - which one was it???
The handwriting on the guns.. I have also heard “legit” news outlets say that he sprayed down the side of the building shooting through the stained glass windows and then I have heard that the dude walked inside of the church and started shooting - which one was it???
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Posted on 8/28/25 at 7:57 am to the808bass
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The CIA clearly enabled large pieces of the plot to occur through their recklessness. That’s indisputable.
I think incompetence is a more appropriate word than recklessness. The FBI and CIA had the pieces of the puzzle on the board but refused to share because of cross-divisional rivalries as well as policies that were put in place by previous administrations.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:00 am to RollTide1987
Conspiratorial logic replaces the gaps created by ineptness with intentionality. It's the whole "lack of evidence IS evidence of a cover up" logic.
Almost all of these things can be explained by ineptness.
Recent board favorite former CIA analyst John Kiriakou (along with Bustamonte) did this exercise on podcasts to counter the CTs around the assassination attempt of Trump, in great detail. The conspiracy theories all had gaps that took leaps of (faulty) logic to complete the theory, while incompetence explained everything.
Almost all of these things can be explained by ineptness.
Recent board favorite former CIA analyst John Kiriakou (along with Bustamonte) did this exercise on podcasts to counter the CTs around the assassination attempt of Trump, in great detail. The conspiracy theories all had gaps that took leaps of (faulty) logic to complete the theory, while incompetence explained everything.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:00 am to RollTide1987
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I think incompetence is a more appropriate word than recklessness. The FBI and CIA had the pieces of the puzzle on the board but refused to share because of cross-divisional rivalries as well as policies that were put in place by previous administrations.
Potato potahto. Using internecine rivalries as a reason for withholding intelligence information is reckless.
The engine of the recklessness might have been partly incompetence. Defending reckless behavior with a label incompetence is too nice, IMO.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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The second amendment did not apply to states.
The second amendment wasn't even incorporated to the states after Heller
I don't understand what you are trying to say?
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:02 am to the808bass
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Potato potahto. Using internecine rivalries as a reason for withholding intelligence information is reckless.
The engine of the recklessness might have been partly incompetence. Defending reckless behavior with a label incompetence is too nice, IMO.
But using terms like "enabled" typically requires a bit more intentionality
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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Recent board favorite former CIA analyst John Kiriakou (along with Bustamonte) did this exercise on podcasts to counter the CTs around the assassination attempt of Trump, in great detail. The conspiracy theories all had gaps that took leaps of (faulty) logic to complete the theory, while incompetence explained everything.
are you saying Kiriakou is trying to refute conspiracies? because I could have sworn I heard him on tucker saying he believes the cia was involved with jfk.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:10 am to 632627
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are you saying Kiriakou is trying to refute conspiracies?
I said he gave analysis of one particular example where certain people created illogical conspiracies.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:16 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
She is off the rails batshit crazy.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:20 am to geoag58
SFP said:
Clearing up SFP's attempt at obsfucation.
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The second amendment did not apply to states.
The second amendment wasn't even incorporated to the states after Heller
Clearing up SFP's attempt at obsfucation.
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That statement is incorrect.
District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) held that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess firearms for lawful purposes (like self-defense in the home), but it applied only to the federal enclave (D.C.), not to the states.
McDonald v. City of Chicago (2010) incorporated the Second Amendment against the states via the Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process Clause, making the individual right recognized in Heller applicable to state and local governments.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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Within the conspiratorial mindset, it just makes sense. I mean this shooting has both DEMs and MAGA teaming up on attacking the 2A. How powerful is that?
Sometimes your nuanced takes make sense. This take is 100% fake and gay. She literally said "do not ever agree to hand over your 2nd amendment rights".
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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In the founders time, states could regulate the shite out of guns because the 2A didn't apply to them.
Do you have specific examples of the states regulating guns in the 1700s and 1800s because I can't find it
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:30 am to GumboPot
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This take is 100% fake and gay. She literally said "do not ever agree to hand over your 2nd amendment rights".
We need more Patriots in the threads with MAGA types calling to hand them over
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:30 am to dafif
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Do you have specific examples of the states regulating guns in the 1700s and 1800s because I can't find it
I only said they could not that they did
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:31 am to AndyJ
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Listen to her series on Brigitte Macron being a tranny.
No thanks.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:33 am to dafif
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o you have specific examples of the states regulating guns in the 1700s and 1800s because I can't find it
There were many examples of the British gun grabbing prior to the 2nd amendment. It was the British gun grabbing colonialists that led to the 2nd amendment. IIRC famous examples were British gun grabbing in Lexington and Concord in 1775.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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We need more Patriots in the threads with MAGA types calling to hand them over
"We need more" implies there are MAGA posters posting threads calling to limit or abolish the 2nd amendment. I have never seen such a thread or post from a MAGA poster.
This post was edited on 8/28/25 at 8:37 am
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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I only said they could not that they did
Do you have evidence where the states said the 2nd amendment did not apply to them??
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:39 am to GumboPot
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I have never seen such a thread or post from a MAGA poster.
Here is one
Here is another
There were a handful more yesterday
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:39 am to dafif
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Do you have evidence where the states said the 2nd amendment did not apply to them??
The 2A wasn't incorporated to the states until 2010
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