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re: Canadian Push to Legalize ALL Drugs

Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:03 am to
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:03 am to
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Split CA into Northern and Southern. Let Canada annex Northern California.


You know there are states north of California, right?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260849 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:04 am to
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The heroin addicts you read about in the news are smaller than the whole population.


Yep, The new opiod crisis has affected every class harshly. It's not just the poor folk anymore.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:04 am to
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Legality has never been a good deterrent for drugs. Educate people on the harmful effects, and from there its simple self responsibility


Makes you realize the people who would suffer most are not the users or potential user, but the ones who benefit mosy from the steady cashflow produced from arrests, seizures, bonds, litigation, incarceration, prison consulting, etc.

Thats a lot of mouths to feed.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260849 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:08 am to
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Makes you realize the people who would suffer most are not the users or potential user, but the ones who benefit mosy from the steady cashflow produced from arrests, seizures, bonds, litigation, incarceration, prison consulting, etc.


The biggest issues with drug use is the associated crimes for people to afford their habit. I really don't care if someone ODs. Cheaper, cleaner drugs would certainly help some of the issues society deals with.
Posted by TexasTiger80
Texas
Member since Apr 2018
2396 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:18 am to
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The biggest issues with drug use is the associated crimes for people to afford their habit. I really don't care if someone ODs. Cheaper, cleaner drugs would certainly help some of the issues society deals with.


Lol....you don't think addicts would still commit crimes to get cash if drugs were legal?
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19710 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:26 am to
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No, but if I'm a heroin addict I know where I'm moving to (whether legally or not)
it's pretty much impossible to live illegally in Canada. They require a valid tax id (and they actually check it) to do anything like rent an apartment or open a bank account
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260849 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:28 am to

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Lol....you don't think addicts would still commit crimes to get cash if drugs were legal?


Probably a lot fewer if their fix was less expensive. Simple economics.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20898 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:30 am to
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you don't think addicts would still commit crimes to get cash if drugs were legal?


Considering they still commit crimes when drugs are still illegal, I dont see the point.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 9:38 am
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:33 am to
Decriminalization is not the same as legalization

There's precedent for this policy in Portugal, and Glenn Greenwald did a paper for Cato showing the effects were largely neutral to positive
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 9:38 am to
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Now they need to push for freedom of speech

No they don't.
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You can have the freedom to mainline crack, but don't you dare make a joke about lesbians or muslims.

Why the frick do you care what other people do in their own countries? It's no one else's business.

Just like a nosey fricking liberal trying to tell other people what to do.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30584 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:04 am to
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Sure, that's how it works without a welfare state.
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I support this. Let Darwin clean up the gene pool.

Normally I’d say yes but these people are dangerous to normal people. People on hardcore drugs will do some dangerous shite. And drug addicts that are trying to get their fix are much more violent than the average person
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40139 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:05 am to
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If this happens I expect to see a marked increase in tourism to Canada. What I am interested most in seeing is the long-term effects (say 10-20 years down the road) of full legalization.



1. I am willing to bet that it will be similar to what happened when alcohol and gambling were legalized. Usage rates will go up, but addiction will go down. If drugs were legal there would be more money available for treatment programs, and more importantly the use will be out in the open so more people will notice that someone is using drugs too much and hopefully intervene before it is too late.

2. Can you imagine the economic benefit to cities like New Orleans, Miami, Las Vegas, and Panama City if all drugs were legal.
Posted by CptRusty
Basket of Deplorables
Member since Aug 2011
11740 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:11 am to
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Decriminalization is not the same as legalization


This seems like a distinction without a difference. If something is decriminalized, is it not therefore "legal"?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40139 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:21 am to
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Decriminalization is not the same as legalization



True but it is the first step towards legalization.
Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 10:46 am to
Not really a smart idea for a country with provincially funded universal health care.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 11:06 am to
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If something is decriminalized, is it not therefore "legal"?
No, it just means a civil fine for possession. Sale is still illegal so the drug trade doesn't necessarily go away. The benefits are more in harm reduction for hard drug addicts.
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