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re: Can we not just all agree on one thing (gun control): Rex, since you're on, answer please
Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:49 am to Rex
Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:49 am to Rex
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- agree to laws that do just about nothing to stop gun massacres.
So you support President Trump's suggestion to do away with gun free zones? Because that's one of those laws that not only does nothing to stop gun massacres, but in fact makes them more likely.
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Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:49 am to CollegeFBRules
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Posted on 2/24/18 at 10:57 am to graychef
Australians merely moved on to killing by other methods
There have probably been more mass killings per capita in Australis than here since 1996. I am too lazy to do the math.
There have probably been more mass killings per capita in Australis than here since 1996. I am too lazy to do the math.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 11:29 am to gthog61
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Jump over in the Broward County Promise thread and defend their idiotic program that kept Cruz out of jail to "lower minority disproportionality" in juvenile arrests.
It's not my habit to defend ineffectual legislation. This thread should have taught you that.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 11:39 am to graychef
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It’s similar to the religious concept of free will. Even though god is a good god and we hope all can live by the basic principles of goodness, individuals have the free will to live how they choose - including committing sin.
No, it’s not anything like this at all.
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Actions by the few should not determine the rights of all.
Actions by the few definitely dictate the actions of the many. Laws are written all the time because of the actions of a handful of people. Why do you have to buy insurance under the prospect of penalty under the law?
You’re living in a fantasy world where freedom is wielded responsibly by those that have it. If you’re maintaining a practice that winds up costing tens of thousands of people their lives each year because of an irresponsible few that we clearly cannot control - either because we don’t want to, or we just can’t - then you have to re-evaluate what you’re doing.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 11:40 am to CollegeFBRules
I seem to recall you were very much anti gun control in your past life on here
Posted on 2/24/18 at 11:46 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I seem to recall you were very much anti gun control in your past life on here
Indeed I was, but I realize that mental health changes on their own won’t stop these shootings. There is too much attention given to the shooters. You can name the killer in every single one of these shootings. Can you name the victims who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time? I send my kids to school everyday hoping they don’t become a statistic at the hands of some emotionally scarred individual who got that way and couldn’t be helped or was ignored until the moment they took someone’s life.
People change as they age.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 11:51 am to CollegeFBRules
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People change as they age.
Not always for the better, or smarter, unfortunately. Keeping guns from the law abiding is painfully ignorant, and will do nothing whatsoever to protect your kid.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 11:53 am to gthog61
You didn’t read your link at all. There’s thirteen incidences of killings listed on that page - so less than one a year. You want to compare that US to that? You think there’s more than 13 here since 1996?
This post was edited on 2/24/18 at 11:56 am
Posted on 2/24/18 at 11:55 am to troyt37
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Not always for the better, or smarter, unfortunately. Keeping guns from the law abiding is painfully ignorant, and will do nothing whatsoever to protect your kid.
You say this because you’re spewing a repeated fallacy on this board. Limiting guns to everyone absolutely, unequivocally reduces the number of killings by guns in exponential numbers.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 11:59 am to troyt37
To some freedom means nothing. When you take that first step to relinquishing control over people in the name of security, the avalanche begins.
I'm still amazed at people who believe this shooting was a "gun" problem, not a law enforcement failure.
I'm still amazed at people who believe this shooting was a "gun" problem, not a law enforcement failure.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 12:00 pm to troyt37
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Keeping guns from the law abiding is painfully ignorant, and will do nothing whatsoever to protect your kid.
What it will do is set up a dangerous and lucrative black market.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 12:09 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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If the controls we have in place now weren't followed, what in the hell are more controls going to do?
Levin has been driving this point home since the shooting happened.
It's a very valid point. However, most arguments for more social control are emotion based, not based on rational thought.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 12:15 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Limiting guns to everyone absolutely, unequivocally reduces the number of killings by guns in exponential numbers.
Really? Does the fallacy you're spewing include those killed by Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Hitler after limiting guns to everyone? Do tell.
This post was edited on 2/24/18 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 2/24/18 at 12:23 pm to Rex
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You only have to believe that guns were owned individually according to the 2A's intent.
er - OK - then what's the beef?
You agree the 2A affirms the right of individuals to own firearms???
Cannot pretend to understand what you are arguing about then.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 12:27 pm to AUsteriskPride
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The FBI and local law enforcement failed royally at their jobs. This would have never happened had anyone done their due diligence. The laws in place would have prevented it from happening, but alas, we have an FBI not taking credit, a terrible sheriff that should resign yet is grandstanding, all the while a media blitz on gun control. If the controls we have in place now weren't followed, what in the hell are more controls going to do?
Missing/dismissing/ignoring obvious warning signs on several of the mass shootings has been a reoccurring issue, Sandy Hook, Columbine, Pulse Night Club, Fort Hood, San Bernardino, etc. The only mass shooting that is still a head scratcher is Las Vegas killer Paddock....., Paddock’s story has been squashed.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 12:27 pm to Rex
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The Heller decision was not unanimous
In terms of whether or not the 2nd Amendment is an individual right vs a collective one, yes the decision was unanimous. Go read the dissents since it's obvious you have no clue what you are talking about. All the SCOTUS justices agreed that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right, a decision that was later upheld unanimously again in Caetano v. Massachusetts. The 5-4 split only concerns the scope of the individual right.
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and it overturned several previous Supreme Court decisions that opposed an individual right to own weapons
Name those decisions. US v. MILLER? Wrong. Clearly you aren't smart enough or educated enough to know what you are talking about here.
This post was edited on 2/24/18 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 2/24/18 at 12:29 pm to Bass Tiger
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The only mass shooting that is still a head scratcher is Las Vegas killer Paddock....., Paddock’s story has been squashed.
Probably the most bizarre of the mass shootings.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 12:34 pm to CollegeFBRules
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I’ll play, since your thread has, like nearly all threads on this board, turned into a circle jerk of reaffirmation while you call out one poster like a schoolyard a-hole.
There isn’t a single statistic worldwide that supports your argument that more guns prevent crime. So many of you want to ignore Australia as an example of how to prevent these mass shootings, even though it is the most directly relevant example: first world, civilized, western society. You do this because you want your guns to prevent the tyranny of the government coming to take your home and your property.
The problem is that both sides have a good point, but not a single one of you are really interested in a legit discussion on it. The left wants your guns, the right refuses to give any of them up. The majority of you loathe public education and the teachers peddling it, but you want them armed to prevent this kind of stuff. If a cop trained to deal with a situation like this isn’t going to respond, you’re only going with odds in numbers that some teacher will react appropriately. Hopefully they’re all mentally stable and don’t decide to use the gun for any other reason. Hopefully they’re secured and some student having a really bad day can’t get access to one.
This still is and will continue to be a mental health discussion. But seeing as how funding and paying attention to mental illness isn’t a swanky enough cause to catch the attention of posters on this board, of the media, or politicians, you’ll continue to see the mentally ill react like this because they get attention and can easily get a gun. And the majority of posters here will still continue ranting about kids needing to grow up and toughen up.
At least until it happens at your child’s school. If your son or daughter gets caught in these crosshairs, your opinion will change quickly and you’ll be ready to take guns away.
Dat, right dere.
Posted on 2/24/18 at 12:41 pm to CollegeFBRules
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