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re: Can the U.S. auto industry adapt fast enough to survive?
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:51 pm to AUCom96
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:51 pm to AUCom96
quote:I bought an entry-level American full size car in 2019 for less than 20k. TBH it's one of the best financial decisions I've made. I don't think you can do that anymore though
No 'entry-level vehicles', hardly. It's all near 100K SUVs and trucks.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 8:58 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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I don't think you can do that anymore though
2026 Mitsubishi Mirage. Starting price: $16,695
2026 Nissan Versa. Starting price: $17,390
That's the only 2 options for new vehicles
Posted on 4/8/26 at 9:10 pm to Powerman
You’re wrong on both counts. Mirage was discontinued in 2024 and they sold the last few remaining as 2025’s. Also the Versa got cut last year. Ain’t nothing starting under $20,000 anymore.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 9:15 pm to RobertFootball
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You’re wrong on both counts.
He is used to it.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 12:18 pm to RohanGonzales
Update
Chinese vechicles make it to California via Mexico
Chinese vechicles make it to California via Mexico
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Slotkin said Chinese automakers steal intellectual property and then reverse engineer it before deep subsidization by the Chinese Communist government.
She called some of the vehicles a “$11,000 to $14,000 Tesla” during a press conference Thursday.
She said European markets allowed Chinese vehicles to be sold there and warned that they have “gobbled up market share.”
Posted on 5/8/26 at 1:04 pm to Powerman
FEVs. My next vehicle, which I will likely buy within the next year or so, will be an older diesel 4x4 truck with no power anything. No computer chips. I'm going to EMP proof it and convert it to flex fuel to run on diesel and vegetable oil / biofuel if needed.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 1:11 pm to Powerman
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Slotkin said Chinese automakers steal intellectual property and then reverse engineer it before deep subsidization by the Chinese Communist government.
They made such an exact clone of the Isuzu Rodeo that body panels and doors are interchangeable. The Chinese steal everything.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 1:16 pm to Powerman
quote:+1
The self driving market seems to be an almost completely separate niche market
I think the ultimate play for Tesla will be to eventually sell this tech to other companies
However, they haven't seemed to had much interest, from other companies. Maybe later they will be customers -- It takes a lot of computing power and/or gizmos, cameras or lidar. That tech is still very expensive on this side of the pond, without government subsidies.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 1:17 pm to BTROleMisser
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FEVs. My next vehicle, which I will likely buy within the next year or so, will be an older diesel 4x4 truck with no power anything. No computer chips. I'm going to EMP proof it and convert it to flex fuel to run on diesel and vegetable oil / biofuel if needed.
I built a doomsday car for one of my bosses about 12 years ago. We put a 12V Cummins in an Excursion. He only ended up keeping it for a couple months.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 1:21 pm to Powerman
There needs to be a safe, no frills 4 door sedan with decent mileage that lists for under 30k.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 1:27 pm to Powerman
The will create a partnership with Chinese manufactures, add margin and drive sales through their dealership. It will double the price of the vehicles.
Posted on 5/8/26 at 1:29 pm to Powerman
American car brands are lazy and have rested on their laurels for too long. Hyundai, Kia, Honda, and Toyota are leading the way.
Jeep is by far the worst. Such a garbage product from a once terrific brand. They all thought they could be “luxury” brands by slapping on a new label. Not fooling anyone
Jeep is by far the worst. Such a garbage product from a once terrific brand. They all thought they could be “luxury” brands by slapping on a new label. Not fooling anyone
Posted on 5/8/26 at 1:37 pm to jcaz
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Jeep is by far the worst.
Amazing that Jeeps went from this to this.... They should've kept the old school rag top/door no frills Jeeps going... My Uncle had that CJ7, it was a blast to drive. 308 three speed, 4x4. You had to lock the hubs to put it in 4WD. He usually kept a bikini top on it.
This post was edited on 5/8/26 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 5/8/26 at 1:38 pm to billjamin
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I built a doomsday car for one of my bosses about 12 years ago. We put a 12V Cummins in an Excursion. He only ended up keeping it for a couple months.
That was a tank!
Posted on 5/8/26 at 1:39 pm to Powerman
Average price of vehicles is probably double of what is was just 15 years ago. Those fricks are making plenty of money.
Posted on 10/6/26 at 5:26 pm to Pfft
Update from venture capitalist
The year over year numbers are worth noting
The year over year numbers are worth noting
Posted on 10/6/26 at 5:30 pm to Powerman
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I'm not sure how this all plays out but I think 20 years out some major brands will have vanished.
Fully autonomous cars will bankrupt almost all major car companies because car ownership will become basically obsolete. Cars will be summoned like an uber so the upgraded trim levels on which most automobile manufacturers collect their profit margins will be unnecessary.
Posted on 10/6/26 at 5:32 pm to Robin Masters
I could see that being the case for a significant portion of the population.
If it becomes cheaper and reasonably convenient to just using a ride share system as opposed to owning a vehicle some people will opt to not own a vehicle. Obviously that's not going to work for everyone.
If it becomes cheaper and reasonably convenient to just using a ride share system as opposed to owning a vehicle some people will opt to not own a vehicle. Obviously that's not going to work for everyone.
Posted on 10/6/26 at 5:35 pm to UcobiaA
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Elon is rolling out fully autonomous cybercabs this year.
I saw one with OEM plates on my way home today. That’s an ugly little fricker.
Posted on 10/6/26 at 5:37 pm to Powerman
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I could see that being the case for a significant portion of the population. If it becomes cheaper and reasonably convenient to just using a ride share system as opposed to owning a vehicle some people will opt to not own a vehicle. Obviously that's not going to work for everyone.
People supposedly spend a disproportionate amount of money on cars relative to the value they bring. I can’t remember how it was quantified in the article I read but it will be much more cost effective for most to simply pay for them on a per use schedule.
Of course driverless cars will decimate many industries including insurance, plaintiffs, small towns that rely on speed traps, organ donation which gets most of their organs from car accidents. I think you’ll see a ton of resistance to their full implementation long after the technology has arrived because of the economic turmoil they will bring.
Interesting to think about anyway.
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