re: Can someone tell me the legitimate list of what SHOULD have been done re: CV19?

#1. Shut down all travel to and from the United States as soon as there were confirmed cases internationally (this would result in huge media blowback but was constitutionally kosher)

#2. Require mandatory quarantine for returning US citizens (this would lead to the Hawaii judge working OT on lawsuits that may or may not have played out)

#3. The FedGov and CDC should have pushed masks from the very beginning, with the caveat that they only mitigate infection and that social distancing was the primary means of reducing spread

I think those are unquestionably good moves that would have given the appearance of a coherent federal strategy. My other suggestions would have been very controversial, but I would back

#4. The preferred European model - FedGov back 50-75% of payroll for nonessential businesses (in this case defined strictly by the government), so long as payrolls are maintained for x months, ideally in the form of 0% loans. This would require Congress getting its head of its arse and not stealing milliona from the taxpayer for their friends which had 0% chance of happening.

#5. Federally quarantine New York and New Jersey back in March, no one in or out. Cuomo said this would be "an act of war" but Trump should have gone to war. New Yorkers spread Covid all across the country.

Should have done a phased lockdown based on outbreaks where the government promised to make up for any losses, rent, wages, etc, which would have contained the outbreak to specific areas, and thus would have maximized resources. It would have been cheaper in the long run. The other option would have been to do what we did, except give people and businesses monthly cash so evictions and businesses closing would not have been as big an issue.

A whole litany of government officials fricked up, from Trump to the CDC to Fauci. Getting out of this, with an unemployment crisis, an eviction crisis, and the virus still not under control is a testament to that.

The US has an extremely unhealthy population, like upwards of 40% of people have a preexisting condition that would make them perfect targets for complications from COVID. The government has done an immense amount wrong, and will forever follow neoliberal economic policies (such as means-testing the stimulus, which was idiotic) that the country has followed since the 80's onward, even at the expense of its citizens.

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People imply there should have been a national shut down.

but how would people have survived this?

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Literally nobody was calling for that. Maybe one person.

yeah it wasn't a thing in March

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Nobody really heard of this until April unless you took a couple of your babies to China for new year celebrations and got stranded.

Restrict international travel to 1-2 airports with 14 day forced quarantine for 1 year
Stimulus check to cover 1 month of bills and food followed by 2 weeks of setting affairs followed by 2 weeks of stay at home enforced by national guard and state/local police with daily testing of National guard/state and local police.

In theory that would have stopped the spread.

In reality if we had called in a flu like virus or better yet a flu that was not part of the seasonal vaccine we would not have noticed it.

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I mean, the Chinese were lying, we didn’t know what the virus was doing or not doing. China bought up a lot of PPE in Jan and Feb from the US and shipped it to China, new shipments of PPE were not shipping to the US, China would not let the US in to help with the virus in China, the CDC could not produce an accurate test, so we could not test accurately, the 80% of the stockpiles of PPE were used up during the Obama administration and not replenished.

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In late January early February I was in a few meetings with guberment peeps and one thing that was made clear was that China had grinded its economy to a stop. China wouldn’t do that to itself if this wasn’t something serious. But that was just a small collection of city and county folk coming to that conclusion. It makes sense that the president wouldn’t have that insight for several weeks later.

I think much LESS should have been done.

Advise all sick and elderly people to quarantine strictly, use national guard to control access to nursing homes nationwide.

Everyone else, carry on as normal.

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I don't think this is legal without a declaration of martial law. The feds certainly couldn't enforce this within the borders of states.

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The state governments and city governments could do this, right? Regardless, a complete lockdown when areas had not even seen the disease was idiotic. The phased lockdown would, in effect, be an attempt to create a smaller population to deal with, and maximize resources that way.

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it's more expensive and not a long term option. Europe is about to be proper fricked when they have to stop this policy

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In my mind, a complete lockdown with, in effect, UBI, would not have been a long term option. It would have been a year, at most.

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Europe is about to be proper fricked when they have to stop this policy

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The US is about to be fricked too. Things are teetering dangerously, on multiple fronts.

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the fact that our mortality rate is about middle of the road compared to Europe given these demographic issues

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I don't think we can make too many conclusions. We are 10th in per capita death rates, while having a younger population than Italy, Belgium and the UK. Also given our size, I'm skeptical we've had an even distribution of the disease due to the way our population density is set up.

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The state governments and city governments could do this, right?

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yeah but even NY/NJ didn't go that far and they fricked everything up for all of us. seriously take out their deaths (and population) and our stats are great

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Regardless, a complete lockdown when areas had not even seen the disease was idiotic.

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oh i agree. i argued this when LC was shut down b/c of Nola

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The phased lockdown would, in effect, be an attempt to create a smaller population to deal with, and maximize resources that way.

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even on the state level, LA originally was going to do this by region but had to back down due to political pressure

same shite would happen everywhere else b/c "it's not fair" or "it's not equitable" would be the calling card b/c the selling point shifted in the middle of the night from "flatten the curve" to "eliminate covid entirely"

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In my mind, a complete lockdown with, in effect, UBI, would not have been a long term option. It would have been a year, at most.

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a year is too much and right now we're basically at about "a year" (b/c a vaccine would take 6+ months to work across the country). it's just not realistic and would be super expensive. if Europe extends their programs and a a vaccine isn't around VERY shortly, they have completely fricked themselves long term

but we kind of did this, to an extent. it's not like we didn't subsidize things for citizens. we just didn't spend THAT much

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The US is about to be fricked too. Things are teetering dangerously, on multiple fronts.

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we're going to have a much larger portion of our population exposed to the virus, which is the only way we can somewhat combat other than a vaccine. Europe shut down so hard to control spread large portions of their populations haven't had contact with the spread yet (why their overall numbers are so low)

imagine a world where a vaccine doesn't come and they borrow trillions only to have the economic impact hit as they have to start paying back the money borrowed

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We are 10th in per capita death rates, while having a younger population than Italy, Belgium and the UK. Also given our size, I'm skeptical we've had an even distribution of the disease due to the way our population density is set up.

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even distribution geographically?

Rapid testing should be available by the thousands of tests. It is not

The CDC should be issuing clear concise guidelines for administration of public services, it did not and it is not