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re: Can someone please explain to me this border thing.

Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:38 am to
Posted by GBPackTigers
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2009
1452 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:38 am to
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Why I said there are 3 ways to fix this problem legally:

1. Inject a LOT of money into our immigration court system to handle the millions of cases in queue to deport them back.

2. Get Remain in Mexico working again.

3. Withdraw from the Geneva Convention.


1. Hard No. we don’t need anymore activist lawyers that are easily persuaded and lose all sense of morality because of “the law says”. The SFPs of the world.

2. Yes

3. Yes
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281926 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:38 am to
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Where is the money in mass immigration?


1) Non Profits/NGOs are organizing and sending them, someone is paying them. Probably our own govt.

2) Welfare. Flood the system with poor, uneducated people when we are moving toward automation.

Whats going to happen is all these people we brought in will have little work in a few years and you can bet its going to be a problem. I believe this is their plan.

You cant have loose immigration and generous welfare.
This post was edited on 12/30/23 at 8:39 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
451445 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:40 am to
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Hard No. we don’t need anymore activist lawyers that are easily persuaded and lose all sense of morality because of “the law says”. The SFPs of the world.

They don't get lawyers in immigration courts

Also they deport these people at an insanely high rate. The problem is they can only handle so many, hence court dates years off. The only way you can fix that is more judges, courts, staff, etc. to process everyone more quickly. Isn't that what you want to happen? I'm trying to solve stuff you bitch about.
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
18179 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:46 am to
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When did Congress vote for this?


It's a treaty, which the US ratified on November 1, 1968, per Google. It's part 28 of the Geneva Convention.

Per Bard:

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Harry Truman did not sign the 1951 Convention because he felt it infringed on U.S. sovereignty. Lyndon Johnson reversed course and signed the Protocol in 1968, and the Senate ratified it


I may be wrong, but I thought we only accept asylum seekers from certain named countries?
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
54973 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:48 am to
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All you hear is there's so many and resources are strained and we need federal help. Here's an idea, don't let them in the country. Enforce the laws already on the books. It's a pretty simple fix.


we have a military, why don't we use it?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281926 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:49 am to
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because of “the law says”.


The law said you could have slaves in 1950, its still morally reprehensible.

Again, the biggest issue discussing things with SFP or Hank is they struggle to find personal meaning, and see everything in legalistic terminology.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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451445 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:51 am to
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Again, the biggest issue discussing things with SFP or Hank is they struggle to find personal meaning, and see everything in legalistic terminology.

Well when describing what is or isn't legal on December 30, 2023, you're going to use "legalistic terminology"

How else would you answer a legal question requiring a legal response?

Even then, I really haven't used many lawyer words and communicated the legal issues on about an 8th grade level, so the average poli poster could understand.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281926 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:54 am to
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All you hear is there's so many and resources are strained and we need federal help. Here's an idea, don't let them in the country. Enforce the laws already on the books. It's a pretty simple fix.


Here is the OP, again.

Seems like a straight forward proposition to me.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
451445 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 8:57 am to
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Seems like a straight forward proposition to me.


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Enforce the laws already on the books.


The "laws on the books" require "letting them in this country" and processing people who claim asylum.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281926 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 9:02 am to
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The "laws on the books" require "letting them in this country"


Many are jumping the border, half are overstaying their visa. I am not sure how the hell asylum claims matter here.
If your opinion is every person crossing is an asylum seeker, you make sense. But this is not the case.

Your government has no clue who these people are, as individuals...
This post was edited on 12/30/23 at 9:03 am
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
51318 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 9:03 am to
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All you hear is there's so many and resources are strained and we need federal help. Here's an idea, don't let them in the country. Enforce the laws already on the books. It's a pretty simple fix.


Explain the border thing?

All I can say with 100% certainty is the Installed president stood on a debate stage in the fall of 2019 and told illegal immigrants to surge the US southern border. After the rigged election of 2020 and the installation of the illegitimate regime was completed the flood of illegals crossing the US southern border morphed into a tsunami.
Posted by GBPackTigers
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2009
1452 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 9:04 am to
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The "laws on the books" require "letting them in this country" and processing people who claim asylum.


What illegal immigrant is going to say, “ I’m here to steal your tax dollars”? Of course they are all told to say, “I’m seeking asylum”. The moron lawyers who wrote this “law” should be disbarred. Very low IQ to not see this coming.
This post was edited on 12/30/23 at 9:07 am
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
107929 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 9:04 am to
What border?

We still have one?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281926 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 9:06 am to
LINK

Most of it is fixable.
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At the same time, the administration is expanding work permit access and deportation protections for Venezuelans.


I totally get why these people deserve asylum and support it.

But this administration will bow to activists before dealing with common sense.
This post was edited on 12/30/23 at 9:08 am
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20458 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 9:08 am to
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Can someone please explain to me this border thing.
All you hear is there's so many and resources are strained and we need federal help. Here's an idea, don't let them in the country. Enforce the laws already on the books. It's a pretty simple fix.


And while we are explaining this...pray tell why most these invaders are young men and furthermore why they say they seek asylum's yet they are not from Mexico? If they are coming in through Mexico from another country, why did they not seek asylum in Mexico? What, Mexico couldn't keep them from harm were they fleeing Haiti or Venezuela? Oh that's right, only the US can be a safe haven from their fleeing their homeland.

None of this makes sense...because none of the canards we hear about are the reason and they can't even come up with an excuse that makes sense to mask it in the slightest.
This post was edited on 12/30/23 at 9:37 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281926 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 9:11 am to
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And while we are explaining this...pray tell why most these invaders are young men


It appears that these people are being organized across the globe, sent to Mexico to cross the border.



Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281926 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 9:12 am to
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and they can't even come up with an excuse that makes sense to mask it in the slightest.


To break the economic system.

Thats always been the desire from the far left.
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
9902 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 9:13 am to
“It’s a lucrative business”

How?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
107929 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 9:14 am to
This numbers represent army divisions

If I were governor of my state, I would have the legislature declare the US government is in material breach of its Constitutional GUARANTEE against invasion and withdraw from the USA.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
7540 posts
Posted on 12/30/23 at 9:15 am to
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quote:and have no ill will to the US


I imagine this is true for 99.9%+ of them


Coming in illegally and signing up for benefits is, by definition, damaging to the US, and therefore IS I’ll will
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