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Can someone explain TOPS to me?
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:01 pm
Why should the state be mandated to pay for your kids education? Since when did higher learning become a right. And the majority of the people that support TOPS complain about subsidies for healthcare, the government bailing out the student loan industry, or anyone that gets any type of handout from the government.
Why is TOPS any different? Surely it's not because people with kids are going to stand to receive such a huge monetary benefit? If so, what a bunch of hypocrites.
If I'm missing something please explain.
Why is TOPS any different? Surely it's not because people with kids are going to stand to receive such a huge monetary benefit? If so, what a bunch of hypocrites.
If I'm missing something please explain.
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Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:01 pm to CapperVin
It's an investment in your state.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:04 pm to The First Cut
What happens when all these students leave for the great state of Texas for higher paying jobs? Explain to me how that is an investment in LA?
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:04 pm to Haydo
What happens when you don't train them and they don't leave?
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:04 pm to CapperVin
Whether you agree with it or not, its mission was to keep the best and brightest in Louisiana, which is a noble mission.
Of course, politicians have bastardized it beyond recognition, but it was not started as an entitlement.
Of course, politicians have bastardized it beyond recognition, but it was not started as an entitlement.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:08 pm to CapperVin
It's the opposite of Toddy.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:08 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Whether you agree with it or not, its mission was to keep the best and brightest in Louisiana
the best & brightest get real scholarships
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:09 pm to CapperVin
It's a hand out. It can be done away with.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:09 pm to The First Cut
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It's an investment in your state.
TOPS has been in place for what? 20 yrs? Please show me what kind of returns the State has gotten on that investment? The State is def not in better shape compared to before TOPS was implemented. It's such a joke
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:09 pm to CapperVin
They're baseball cards
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:10 pm to CapperVin
it's definitely an incredible luxury
especially considering how fricking poor louisiana is
especially considering how fricking poor louisiana is
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:12 pm to 90proofprofessional
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the best & brightest get real scholarships
To schools in other states. This was to keep a large volume of students in Louisiana, not just the top few percents.
I don't agree with many facets of Tops or its implementation, but I agree with its mission.
Like any government program, once politicians get their fingers into it the entire thing gets screwed up.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:14 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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To schools in other states.
when did schools in the LSU & UL system stop giving scholarships?
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once politicians get their fingers into it the entire thing gets screwed up
it's "screwed up" because people love free shite for themselves and not for others, just like any other entitlement
This post was edited on 5/10/17 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:17 pm to CapperVin
So much misinformation.
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States have been paying public school k-12 for centuries! Where have you been?
Still hasn't. Where have you been?
Link? Or did you just pull this out of your arse?
1) Some to most see this as an economic investment for state. Can be argued.
2) One of the few government giveaways that can go to tax payers since based upon performance and not "need". Can be argued.
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Why should the state be mandated to pay for your kids education?
States have been paying public school k-12 for centuries! Where have you been?
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Since when did higher learning become a right.
Still hasn't. Where have you been?
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And the majority of the people that support TOPS complain about subsidies for healthcare, the government bailing out the student loan industry, or anyone that gets any type of handout from the government.
Link? Or did you just pull this out of your arse?
quote:
Why is TOPS any different? Surely it's not because people with kids are going to stand to receive such a huge monetary benefit? If so, what a bunch of hypocrites. If I'm missing something please explain.
1) Some to most see this as an economic investment for state. Can be argued.
2) One of the few government giveaways that can go to tax payers since based upon performance and not "need". Can be argued.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:25 pm to 90proofprofessional
The concept was to keep THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of students in Louisiana. The amount of academic scholarships being given was extremely small. Tops has a much larger affect.
I know plenty of kids that stayed in state just because of Tops. I have some philosophical disagreements about Tops, but this state wastes so much money on bullshite that its way down my list of concerns.
Tops at least is a benefit to people attempting to be productive, rather than paying people to sit on their asses.
I know plenty of kids that stayed in state just because of Tops. I have some philosophical disagreements about Tops, but this state wastes so much money on bullshite that its way down my list of concerns.
Tops at least is a benefit to people attempting to be productive, rather than paying people to sit on their asses.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:27 pm to Haydo
Used TOPS, stayed in Louisiana.
It's useful for students like me who planned to go out of state, but realized I could stay in state for almost free (had other scholarships at SLU that by my junior year I was being paid to attend).
That said, it has become a hand out. I have seen numerous people lose it after a semester and drop out, and really they shouldn't have been in school anyway but with free money might as well go party for a semester. The requirements need to be raised dramatically if it remains, and also wouldn't mind seeing there being some income based restrictions on top of the merit based standards. Ideally it would become a 3.5+ GPA, 25-27+ ACT, and a household income of under 200% of the federal poverty guidelines for Louisiana. That would get it back to its original purpose of giving deserving students who normally couldn't attend college a chance to attend, which has clear benefits for the state.
It's useful for students like me who planned to go out of state, but realized I could stay in state for almost free (had other scholarships at SLU that by my junior year I was being paid to attend).
That said, it has become a hand out. I have seen numerous people lose it after a semester and drop out, and really they shouldn't have been in school anyway but with free money might as well go party for a semester. The requirements need to be raised dramatically if it remains, and also wouldn't mind seeing there being some income based restrictions on top of the merit based standards. Ideally it would become a 3.5+ GPA, 25-27+ ACT, and a household income of under 200% of the federal poverty guidelines for Louisiana. That would get it back to its original purpose of giving deserving students who normally couldn't attend college a chance to attend, which has clear benefits for the state.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:27 pm to Gaspergou202
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Link? Or did you just pull this out of your arse?
JBE's budget didn't fully fund TOPS
but House Repubs' budget fully funded TOPS, further cutting DHH & DCFS
LINK
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:31 pm to lionward2014
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household income of under 200% of the federal poverty guidelines for Louisiana.
I agree that the standards should be raised, but in no way should it be means tested. The purpose of Tops is economic investment in the state by enticing people to attend college rather than leave the state.
Income should play no factor in that.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:32 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Tops has a much larger affect.
I know plenty of kids that stayed in state just because of Tops.
I have no doubt whatsoever that many people took advantage of this huge gift of a program.
I do doubt that it's doing/done much to keep the actual best & brightest here that weren't going to stay here anyway.
And I mean even just for college. Let alone staying here post-college, which should probably be the actual goal.
Posted on 5/10/17 at 6:32 pm to 90proofprofessional
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House Repubs' budget fully funded TOPS,
Republicans support education and know that their constituents are educated.
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further cutting DHH & DCFS
Corrupt and wasteful. Should be cut further.
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