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Can someone explain the pros and cons of gold?

Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:27 pm
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:27 pm
my financial advisor is against it. and I usually just take his advice because I don't know much about it.

I think his reasoning is mostly that you can/will make more in the market.

I understand that historically speaking you'll ALWAYS make money in the market but we've never had 30 powder kegs with fuses lit that will all end in "no more market."

How does it functionally hedge against inflation? Does "investing in gold" typically mean that you buy and (physically) hold gold bars? if so, how would you typically sell them back? would it actually be worth anything if shite hit the fan?
Posted by DotBling
Member since Oct 2019
2899 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:31 pm to
Universal currency and a finite resource.

The dollar used to be backed by gold.

You can buy physical or “sharers.” Most can buy in IRA.

Physical gold is harder to move and store, but it is in your hands (sort of speak).

Gold can be tokenized.



This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 10:32 pm
Posted by charliemurphy69
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:35 pm to
I smoked crypto one time got me messed up for a couple days
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25578 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:37 pm to
The basic concept against gold is that it doesn't produce anything.
It doesn't generate anything.
It will never ever yield a dividend.

I.e. it is 100% speculative.

You can speculate on a company which does make a product or service.
You can speculate on a company which does generate revenue.
You can speculate on a company which can yield a dividend.

Or not.
Posted by tigersbh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
10232 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:41 pm to
I wouldn’t put all my eggs in one basket (i. e. stock market). It wouldn’t hurt to invest some in gold. I don’t want a piece of paper that says I own gold, I want the physical gold. In an economic collapse that piece of paper won’t do you any good.
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
7492 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:47 pm to
I guess a pro is diversification.

Cons would be it underperforms the market over time. Plus, it is being pumped religiously in commercials so it might be faddish right now.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9902 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:52 pm to
Pros would be diversification, serving as a hedge against inflation and economic uncertainty given that its purchasing power tends to hold up over time (e.g. high inflation or market downturns). Cons: lower returns and can lose value more frequently than stocks in ordinary economic conditions. It doesn’t generate passive income like stocks do, and you have to worry about keeping it safe & can come with additional costs for storage and insurance. Also, liquidity can be a concern, as selling physical gold may not be as quick as selling stocks. Investing in gold doesn’t necessarily mean owning physical bars, though (you can buy gold ETFs, mutual funds, mining stocks, etc.).
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 10:56 pm
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25578 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:54 pm to
quote:

I don’t want a piece of paper that says I own gold, I want the physical gold. In an economic collapse that piece of paper won’t do you any good.


How many retail stores have a good exchange rate?
Do you like paying a fee to liquidate physical gold?

I know a lot of people who are happy with their gold investments.
But "potential currency" never crosses their mind. Not once.
Posted by DeltaTigerDelta
Member since Jan 2017
11279 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:20 am to
William Devane can.

Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56283 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:22 am to
It's a useless substance that we value because we're basically monkeys who love shiny shite. It is proof that we are stupid.

Hope that helped.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37605 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:35 am to
Don't buy gold .... don't be a dumbass.

Ammo is the new precious metal.

Posted by Tesla
the Laurentian Abyss
Member since Dec 2011
7956 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:59 am to
quote:

It's a useless substance that we value because we're basically monkeys who love shiny shite. It is proof that we are stupid.


This says a lot about you (none of it surprising).

To the OP: Gold is largely inert and highly conductive. It doesn’t corrode or degrade over time, is relatively rare and difficult to mine in large quantities. It is highly malleable and can be worked at low temps to adapt to all sorts of applications.

As far as a currency, it is easily recognizable, testable for purity, can be sized in minute quantities and chemically stable with high value density. For a day to day transaction in a scenario where fiat currency has collapsed, silver is probably more appropriately valued to be used in daily trade but it does tarnish and can be corroded over time.

I much prefer to hold it in small denominations over just “owning” it. The risk you take is like any other commodity which is someone could conceivably find a huge deposit and devalue it from the supply side but the uses for gold in the modern world continue to climb exponentially, so it’s a safe investment long-term in addition to being a safety hedge.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
10978 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 5:14 am to
You can make money with it in times of relative tranquility.
It will be worthless when the nation crashes.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
59603 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 5:58 am to
I bought a salt mine. I will be king
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56283 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:21 am to
quote:

This says a lot about you
Yeah, I'm not a monkey obsessed with shiny shite, giving value to things that don't really have any.
quote:

Gold is largely inert and highly conductive.
Did they know that thousands of years ago when people were still slaughtering each other over it? No. They did not. Anyway, there are other metals that are far better for that.
quote:

As far as a currency, it is easily recognizable, testable for purity, can be sized in minute quantities and chemically stable with high value density. For a day to day transaction in a scenario where fiat currency has collapsed, silver is probably more appropriately valued to be used in daily trade but it does tarnish and can be corroded over time.

Yeah, this is really going to matter if society collapses. Definitely trade your food and ammo for yellow rocks.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
4953 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:38 am to
quote:

The basic concept against gold is that it doesn't produce anything.
It doesn't generate anything.
It will never ever yield a dividend.

I.e. it is 100% speculative.

You can speculate on a company which does make a product or service.
You can speculate on a company which does generate revenue.
You can speculate on a company which can yield a dividend.


Companies can, and do, go to zero. Gold never has.

The downside is that the gold market is manipulated by those who don’t want to see it compete with fiat. Companies sell Gold Contracts, which is the promise of gold which they say is in the ground, but don’t know, and which they say can be extracted reasonably, but which they don’t know. This is ‘paper gold’, and the market treats this and physical gold the same. For every ounce of physical gold in the market, there are 400 ounces of paper gold. This allows those who promote fiat to also purchase paper gold, and pump their fiat UP by dumping their paper gold on the market to drive gold DOWN - manipulation.

Sooner or later there will be a separation in the paper and physical market, and paper gold will move in the direction that fiat is moving, while physical will move in the other. When people in India and China begin saying, “nah, I want the metal stuff”, that is a game changer.

Silver is no different. Both are easy to buy in bulk, they send it to your door via UPS. You can put 1M in gold in a small safe deposit box (whether this is smart, or not, is a point of debate)
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
10270 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:44 am to
As Warren Buffett said. Your pay to dig it up only to bury it somewhere safe and are paying someone to watch it. Supposedly he has no capital in gold. It rises and falls with stability of the world but who really is expecting to use it in exchange of goods anymore
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
10864 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:45 am to
quote:

But "potential currency" never crosses their mind. Not once.


Because you need an instance in which the world government collapses and then re-establishes in a similar manner, where they won’t just straight up steal your gold.

Societal collapse where nothing is left? Trade a chunk of gold for a loaf of bread? I think I’ll just kill you and keep both.
Posted by Bamadog75
Alabama
Member since Mar 2017
1264 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:51 am to
Gold has been used for currency for thousands of years , the dollar only a few hundred years. In 1935 if you buried an ounce of gold and 35 bucks they were about the same. Come back 90 years later the ounce of gold is worth 2400 the 35 bucks is the same. Not very hard to understand.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
14363 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 6:59 am to
I own it on paper as an investment only. It has done rather well for me.
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