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re: Can somebody explain to me how hunters love animals?
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:25 pm to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:25 pm to PrimeTime Money
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But hunters enjoy hunting.
I can understand if it is a necessity to thin out an animal population.
But if you love the animals, how can one get enjoyment out of killing them?
Do hunters actually love the animals, or do they love hunting the animals?
i think the rest of have spent a thread explaining the answer to the last two, but you're being purposefully ignorant.
at the end of the day what difference is it to you if my hamburger meat came at the end of a bullet to a deer or a hammer gun to the head of a cow?
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Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:26 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:I love my dog as a companion and he is a part of my family, but I would kill him if he attacked a person unprovoked.
But if you love the animals, how can one get enjoyment out of killing them?
I don't "love" deer in the same way. I enjoy watching them and being in the woods. You seem to have the impression that hunters shoot everything they see. Most hunters have let many many more deer walk than they have killed.
This may sound strange to you, but I try to kill the deer as humanely as possible. I would never take a shot at a deer that prevents a "kill" shot. Meaning I would never take a shot at a deer if I could not hit a vital organ. I have been very fortunate, most of the deer I have killed dropped where I shot them.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:29 pm to dante
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. I would never take a shot at a deer that prevents a "kill" shot. Meaning I would never take a shot at a deer if I could not hit a vital organ. I have been very fortunate, most of the deer I have killed dropped where I shot them.
I shoot to drop them or miss them. no inbetween.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:29 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:This may have already been mentioned by someone else as I didn't make past the OP, but for one thing, as a hunter I really love how animals taste after you first make a roux.....
Can somebody explain to me how hunters love animals?
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:31 pm to udtiger
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I would have NEVER noticed that.
I still can't see it.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:44 pm to ugasickem
look on the sides
ETA: nevermind...they're gone now
ETA: nevermind...they're gone now
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 1/15/14 at 1:57 pm to PrimeTime Money
A lot of great responses in this thread.
By killing and taking a life (wildlife) also makes me appreciate life more as well. Knowing that you have, and excercise this power, brings an appreciation for others lives as well. When taken seriously, it brings alot of responsibility with it as well. I don't have any problem hunting and harvesting wildgame, but I respect the animals enough to not waste what I kill.
I think the animal sacrifices in the old testament were set up to show appreciation for the gift of our lives as well. By taking the life of any living thing, it should make you appreciate the gift of your life even more. But to some people, it just makes them more callous and indifferent.
Some hunters give the rest of us a bad name, by the way the represent themselves though. Usually Hollywood protrays hunters as ignorant rednecks that are out shooting up the woods, but to most hunters I know, that's not how we act.
By killing and taking a life (wildlife) also makes me appreciate life more as well. Knowing that you have, and excercise this power, brings an appreciation for others lives as well. When taken seriously, it brings alot of responsibility with it as well. I don't have any problem hunting and harvesting wildgame, but I respect the animals enough to not waste what I kill.
I think the animal sacrifices in the old testament were set up to show appreciation for the gift of our lives as well. By taking the life of any living thing, it should make you appreciate the gift of your life even more. But to some people, it just makes them more callous and indifferent.
Some hunters give the rest of us a bad name, by the way the represent themselves though. Usually Hollywood protrays hunters as ignorant rednecks that are out shooting up the woods, but to most hunters I know, that's not how we act.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:05 pm to PrimeTime Money
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But if you love the animals, how can one get enjoyment out of killing them?
Do hunters actually love the animals, or do they love hunting the animals
The simple answer is that hunters, largely, love both the animal and the hunt. The most important aspect you can understand is that hunters value animals, particularly game species. It is this value that directly translates to dollars and cents through licenses and tags, support for conservation organizations such as Safari Club International, Ducks Unlimited, or the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation that pour millions of dollars into sustaining and promoting thriving game and habitat. It is the effort of these folks that actually get out in the woods and make a difference that contribute to the success and protection of wild game populations, not PETA or similar groups that hustle money on television.
The logic that you seem to be struggling requires you to accept that if you love animals then you cannot kill them. I would offer that this is flawed. Responsible hunters understand that the passion they have for hunting benefits the game overall, and they want the animals to flourish, and if anything grow larger and more prevalent. I can promise you many hunters have mixed personal emotions after harvesting a deer, or other animal, there is typically always an element of thankfulness and even sadness.
However, what I can promise you is that if hunters were not here, the game would have zero value and would be pushed out for farming, ranching, or urban development. Look no farther than Kenya vs. South Africa for an excellent example of this concept in action. It's easy to say you love polar bears when you see a cute commercial about them advertising coke - it is another level entirely to spend upwards of $50,000.00 on a tag to hunt a polar bear, travel expenses, food, and payments to local guides.
In that case I would ask, who really loves the animal, the guy that sacrifices his hard earned dollars, time and effort for them and is actively involved in management of the species, or the guy that smiles at the commercial and says he loves them and would never hurt them?
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:13 pm to sparkinator
quote:I was going the mention the irony of how killing something can make you appreciate life, but you stated it much better than I could have.
By killing and taking a life (wildlife) also makes me appreciate life more as well. Knowing that you have, and excercise this power, brings an appreciation for others lives as well. When taken seriously, it brings alot of responsibility with it as well. I don't have any problem hunting and harvesting wildgame, but I respect the animals enough to not waste what I kill
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:20 pm to PrimeTime Money
A lot of hunters view animals as a resource.
Responsible hunting results in preservation of said resource by preventing overpopulation and the money invested in hunting by hunters keeps habitats viable.
I love animals as a resource and I get to help preserve the resource by hunting. It is a win/win for hunters, there is no cognitive dissonance
edit: also keep in mind "responsible hunting" is a loaded term. A lot goes into managing a deer herd
Responsible hunting results in preservation of said resource by preventing overpopulation and the money invested in hunting by hunters keeps habitats viable.
I love animals as a resource and I get to help preserve the resource by hunting. It is a win/win for hunters, there is no cognitive dissonance
edit: also keep in mind "responsible hunting" is a loaded term. A lot goes into managing a deer herd
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:21 pm to Choctaw
I would say that one can easily love the animals that you hunt. I love my son and do not like having to disipline him. However it is in his best interest for that to happen, so I do it.
We have removed almost all top predators from the the vast majority of the country. The only real population control nature has left is disease and starvation. Both are much tougher on an animal than an ethical hunter.
The carrying capacity of land is pretty much fixed unless deliberately altered. That means there is only so much biomass that can be supported. I would much rather have 10 120 pound does vs 15 80 pound does.
Disease is a density dependent factor, the higher the population density the greater the spread of disease.
Man is supposed to be a steward of the land. Can't really do that with a hands off approach.
We have removed almost all top predators from the the vast majority of the country. The only real population control nature has left is disease and starvation. Both are much tougher on an animal than an ethical hunter.
The carrying capacity of land is pretty much fixed unless deliberately altered. That means there is only so much biomass that can be supported. I would much rather have 10 120 pound does vs 15 80 pound does.
Disease is a density dependent factor, the higher the population density the greater the spread of disease.
Man is supposed to be a steward of the land. Can't really do that with a hands off approach.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:28 pm to dante
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I was going the mention the irony of how killing something can make you appreciate life, but you stated it much better than I could have.
It took several edits.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 2:52 pm to PrimeTime Money
I'm not reading this whole thread. I'll just assume that someone has already pointed out that hunters are the largest contributors to conservation. I prefer hunted wild meat to processed hormone fed meat.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 3:51 pm to PrimeTime Money
Hunters care more about land conservation and habitat reconstruction than any PETA member or animal loving vegan will ever understand. God gave us animals for food to be self sufficient and not have to rely on anyone. We take care of animals; scout in the off season, feed them, observe them, and then harvest durning the season. In the end you have a sense of fulfillment that isn't like anything else in the world. Plus a box of bullets - $30 > a trip to the grocery store for a family of 4 - easy $300... Hard to beat that logic.
Phil Robertson for president 2016
Phil Robertson for president 2016
Posted on 1/15/14 at 4:00 pm to BoonesFarm4life
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Plus a box of bullets - $30 > a trip to the grocery store for a family of 4 - easy $300... Hard to beat that logic.
while i agree with the sentiment of i like knowing my family is eating a deer, turkey, or hog i harvested, let's not kid ourselves.
$200 in corn or feed
$30 on bullets
$75 on a license (for a fishing, hunting combo in TX)
$10 in ice to drain meat
then add in if you don't own the land you hunt on how much are you paying for a lease and if you don't process the meat yourself, how much are you paying a taxidermist? i agree with you but you've got to make a good haul to justify that argument.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 4:17 pm to PrimeTime Money
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But hunters enjoy hunting.
I can understand if it is a necessity to thin out an animal population.
But if you love the animals, how can one get enjoyment out of killing them?
Do hunters actually love the animals, or do they love hunting the animals?
Your question stems from a lack of experience and perspective as a hunter. I can understand your paradox.
Any human - even hunters - with a conscience finds it hard to kill another living thing, especially a living thing of relatively higher order and intelligence, like most mammals. I, like others, will not kill a doe with a newborn fawn. It bothers me greatly if I don't put a good vital shot on a deer to ensure near instantaneous kill.
But, I always go back to this. There is something innate in humans to hunt... to be a predator. Again, most people eat meat. If not for modern advances they would have to kill something for that meat - or "chicken cordon bleu." Something is satisfied inside of you to go out in to the wild and bring something back to clean, prepare and put on the table. If you've never experienced it fully or grew up in that culture it's probably something that you will never ever grasp.
How does that apply to your question? You probably had it right to begin with. PETA people can't get passed the "gag reflex," of the kill. Do they love animals any more or do they just have a different perspective? Would they be willing to kill animals if it meant improving the overall health of the population? Do they truly care about it, or is it that they can't fathom killing something?
I am passionate about deer. I grew up studying them and reading book after book about them. I laugh when I see two fawns playing like people do when two puppies are doing the same. I am awed when I see a large buck step out of a thicket. They're beautiful. That attraction drives my pursuit of them, much like I'm sure it does Phil Robertson for ducks or Kevin Van Dam for bass.
Bill Dance always kisses his bass before he releases them. I know releasing is not killing, but that is sort of symbolic of the type of appreciation of the animal outdoorsmen have. You have conquered your prey, but the effort it took to do so gives you a great appreciation for it.
Hope that helps.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 4:17 pm to 3nOut
It's not cheaper for us at all. We hunt deer and duck on our land but my husband also pays to hunt elk and buffalo annually. I rarely buy meat in the store other than chicken and feel much better eating that way. But I can't say it saves us money... The money we pay goes to conservation and management.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 6:40 pm to PrimeTime Money
I think elk are beautiful, I even got a trophy made after I shot it
Posted on 1/15/14 at 6:44 pm to LSUGrrrl
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It's not cheaper for us at all. We hunt deer and duck on our land but my husband also pays to hunt elk and buffalo annually. I rarely buy meat in the store other than chicken and feel much better eating that way. But I can't say it saves us money... The money we pay goes to conservation and management.
We have a lot of folks who subsistence hunt and fish. It's how they survive. Their winter food is what they kill and catch during the summer and fall.
Posted on 1/15/14 at 6:49 pm to constant cough
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I just don't get the point of hunting when everyone lives within a few miles of a grocery store.
You can't get great venison at a grocery store.
This post was edited on 1/15/14 at 6:52 pm
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