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re: Can dignity exist in a capitalist society?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:39 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:39 am to 4cubbies
quote:Capitalism treats humans as free beings.
Capitalism treats humans as a means to an end (profit)
There is no other country in the world offering the upward mobility that the US does. Government does have the ability to ruin that though. Ours is trying VERY hard to do so.
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:39 am to Auburn1968
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Why does your implied alternative have to build walls to keep people in rather than keeping them out?
She assumes the poor have no dignity.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:40 am to 4cubbies
Hard to be dignified when you are hungry, live on a dirt floor, and have no job.
Capitalism has delivered more food security, constructed more floors, and created more jobs for people across the globe than any other system by far.
So I vote yes.
Capitalism has delivered more food security, constructed more floors, and created more jobs for people across the globe than any other system by far.
So I vote yes.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I would have them more competitive and able to compete on a global scale.
How, exactly?
For example, what government inaction could help you match the labor costs in the developing countries?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:42 am to HottyToddy7
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Completely free trade is best but when the other side is rigging the scales, what options are there to create a fair environment?
Typically that perceived rigging gives us a double benefit.
The problem is this is being spun as a negative by MAGA because certain sections of society now "have less dignity" so they want to institute regulations to support these people, just like cubbies.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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Typically that perceived rigging gives us a double benefit.
Such as?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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The problem is this is being spun as a negative by MAGA because certain sections of society now "have less dignity" so they want to institute regulations to support these people, just like cubbies.
This statement strikes me as nothing but a function of perception.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:44 am to KiwiHead
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In an industrialized consumer driven society. Labor is essentially a commodity. That's just the way it is.
Yes. Would you say consumers are dignified?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:44 am to BayouBlitz
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Capitalism rewards greed. Undeniable.
Capitalism does NOT reward greed. It rewards actions that often are animated by greed. But greed without action does not get rewarded.
All accomplishment is the product of three things properly defined:
1. Talent
2. Motivation
3. Self-Discipline
If any of these are a zero there will be no accomplishment. Greed falls into the motivation category.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:45 am to 4cubbies
Name a system better. Name another system where I have the rights to keep my capital.
Should be simple, but first you have to know what "capital" means.
Should be simple, but first you have to know what "capital" means.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:45 am to 4cubbies
quote:Goodness
This is stemming from a conversation I had with one of my professors yesterday
quote:Does he view underachievement as undignified?
related to human dignity.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:45 am to ned nederlander
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Hard to be dignified when you are hungry, live on a dirt floor, and have no job.
Does hunger and homelessness not exist in capitalist societies though?
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 10:46 am
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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You sound like a big MAGA type now. This is their exact rhetoric around MAGA-centric regulations like tariffs.
Everyone knew it was coming but I’m surprised page 2!
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:47 am to Harry Boutte
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How, exactly?
For example, what government inaction could help you match the labor costs in the developing countries?
You dont need to, but you would need to add value.
Which is where we are failing. Our protections have caused companies to stop innovating, and we are being passed up.
I used Chinese EVs as an example, they are taking over the world, while our auto plants are flailing. Their EVs are have more tech, as good quality and are roughly 40% less expensive.
The more protections you throw at US industry, the further we will fall behind.
If you want better and cheaper cars, let the Chinese compete here. You'll find US innovation ramp up quickly.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 10:48 am
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:48 am to 4cubbies
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I’m only discussing capitalism
No, you are not. You made a statement without backing it up or offering alternatives. That is not a discussion. It is a hook.
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You’re describing bartering.
Do you not know what capitalism is? It starts with the word capital. You do know what capital is correct?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:49 am to 4cubbies
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Does hunger and homelessness not exist in capitalist societies though?
Mainly by choice.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:49 am to NC_Tigah
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Goodness
?? I would you prefer another Trump or Musk thread? Sheesh.
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Does he view underachievement as undignified
I don’t see the connection. We were discussing dignity in the context of the carceral system.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:50 am to UtahCajun
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Do you not know what capitalism is?
Most leftists do not.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:50 am to 4cubbies
If you suppose that man is inherently greedy then…
In true capitalism the profit and profiteers are transparent. In the other economic forms that I am aware of the profit/profiteers are insidious.
Free market Capitalism while imperfect offers the most choice to the populace.
In true capitalism the profit and profiteers are transparent. In the other economic forms that I am aware of the profit/profiteers are insidious.
Free market Capitalism while imperfect offers the most choice to the populace.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:51 am to 4cubbies
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Yes. Would you say consumers are dignified?
Are you dignified? I see you throwing buzz words around, but you do not seem to know what they mean.
You, just by existing, are a consumer. You consume just to live. You consume food, water, clothing, shelter and even oxygen.
Are you dignified?
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