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re: Calm Down Liberals - No one is coming for your abortions
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:21 pm to 88Wildcat
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:21 pm to 88Wildcat
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I defined where I believe a life begins later on in that post. If it is not capable of surviving without being attached to an umbilical cord it is not a separate life from the mother.
So, you think life begins about month 6 of a pregnancy?
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Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:30 pm to NashvilleTider
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We just want common sense abortions control. Mandatory background checks complete with mental health evaluation. Must be placed in a national abortion registry $200 tax stamp and a 1 year wait period Outlaw assault abortions after the first trimester and limit the number you can have. No one NEEDS more than one abortion
Well done, Sir
This post was edited on 9/6/21 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:35 pm to 88Wildcat
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My personal belief is that life does not begin at conception. The potential for life begins at conception but that is not the same thing. A lot can happen between when something goes in and something comes out. You can't know whether or not someone who has an abortion wouldn't have had a miscarriage had they decided differently. Also there is a difference between life and a life. You can argue that life begins when a heartbeat is detected. Whatever, my point of view is that a life begins when that life has suffienctly developed circulatory, respiratory, and digestive systems to a point that it is not dependent upon being attached to a tube that supplies all of these things via the mother. Then it is a separate life from the mother's. Until then it is part of the mother because if the mother doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. That's the pro-choice part of me. Here is the pro-life part of me. Just because I believe all of the above to be true does not mean that your argument that "being anti-abortion means you are anti-women" makes any sense. So you are telling me that being against a medical procedure that has resulted in millions of women never being born is being anti-women. Are you sure you don't want to think about this a little more? I've never figured out how to make a consistent argument one way or the other on the subject so I'm fairly whatever about it. I feel it shouldn't be used as a get out of a pregnancy free card but there are a lot of circumstances that fall under a case by case basis for me. What about expectant mothers who are drug addicts? What about people who know they are frick ups and can not handle any meaningful responsibility? Is it fair to dump a child into that environment? I know people will say you can always give the kid up for adoption. I've never understood how you always hear that there are waiting lists of people who have been waiting years to adopt children but their are also orphanages full of children waiting to be adopted. If you believe in the concept of supply and demand then both of those things should not be happening at the same time. I would be more swayed by the adoption angle if there was some kind of guarantee that every one of these unwanted pregnancies would end with an adoption as soon as the real mother gives birth but that does not seem to happen. The whole issue seems like it tastes like a shite sandwich no matter where I bite into it from. I guess that is why it has never seemed like a particularly vital issue for me to concern myself with compared to other issues of the day
Do you believe in God?
This post was edited on 9/6/21 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:39 pm to Plx1776
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6 weeks or less is plenty of time for a rape or incest victim to get tested.
They don't need 2+ months to discover if they are pregnant.
It's plenty of time to take a morning after pill too
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:42 pm to FahQue
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Do you believe in God?
If there is no god then abortion doesn't matter.
Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow you die
Posted on 9/6/21 at 3:58 pm to Loserman
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If there is no god then abortion doesn't matter.
Exactly. Abortion doesn't matter. It's a medical procedure. The only argument in which it does is if you're religious. Otherwise.....you just want government taking control of medical decisions for people.
And we shouldn't be making laws based on any groups religions here.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 4:01 pm to NashvilleTider
I legitimately laughed out loud with the OP. Well done.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 4:04 pm to oklahogjr
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Exactly. Abortion doesn't matter. It's a medical procedure. The only argument in which it does is if you're religious. Otherwise.....you just want government taking control of medical decisions for people.
And we shouldn't be making laws based on any groups religions here.
You disappeared from the other thread so I'll re-ask here: what magic happens the second a non-human passes through the birth canal that makes it suddenly human?
You can go on and on about it being a religious matter so shouldn't be in the purview of gov't/restrictions, but that can be said of anything. I'm sure you don't support the right to murder or rape a 20 yo. What happens at the point where you support someone's freedom to murder or rape another being to where you believe it would be criminal to do so?
This post was edited on 9/6/21 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 9/6/21 at 4:06 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Nah that's just how some express themselves. Definitely not always the case. Take Spencer Klavan, for example.
I know a guy that you'd have to be around quite a lot to maybe pick up a tell. Not obvious at all.
Of course growing up and living in rural WI might have something to do with it. He commented once that "A lot of people around here don't like people like me."
Posted on 9/6/21 at 4:07 pm to oklahogjr
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Otherwise.....you just want government taking control of medical decisions for people.
Are you ok with the government restricting the use of Ivermectin to treat Covid?
Posted on 9/6/21 at 4:07 pm to oklahogjr
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And we shouldn't be making laws based on any groups religions here.
We should use Christian morality as the basis of our laws, and the foundation of our society.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 4:10 pm to oklahogjr
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And we shouldn't be making laws based on any groups religions here.
90% of progressivism is a morality cult.
If you truly believed your statement, you would never vote Democrat again. But you lie.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 4:10 pm to BuckyCheese
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Are you ok with the government restricting the use of Ivermectin to treat Covid?
No it should be a decision between patient and doctor. I don't have any problem with doctors prescribing ivermectin off label like they do many other drugs.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 4:11 pm to Lima Whiskey
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We should use Christian morality as the basis of our laws, and the foundation of our society.
So slavery should still be legal?
Posted on 9/6/21 at 4:30 pm to oklahogjr
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So slavery should still be legal?
Only Australians.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 4:35 pm to oklahogjr
quote:The left, quite literally, wants government in control of ALL healthcare.
Otherwise.....you just want government taking control of medical decisions for people.
quote:Sure. That's why the First amendment exists. To keep religion hidden in secret places and ensure that religious people were not allowed to participate in government.
And we shouldn't be making laws based on any groups religions here.
This post was edited on 9/6/21 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 9/6/21 at 4:38 pm to FahQue
quote:Do you believe bacteria are living?
Whatever, my point of view is that a life begins when that life has suffienctly developed circulatory, respiratory, and digestive systems to a point that it is not dependent upon being attached to a tube that supplies all of these things via the mother.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 4:38 pm to oklahogjr
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There is never going to be s gay gene found. That's not how sexuality or genetics work....you're feelings a bit more complicated than eye color.
What loon here is trying to say is they've already done the research, it's not genetically determined, it's a combination of genetic disposition and environmental factors.
Now none of you bigots better dare bring up the child abuse rates of kids who end up gay.
Don't you dare.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 1:58 am to FahQue
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Do you believe in God?
God yes, anyone on earth that claims to be his spokesperson, not particularly and not without a frickload of vetting. I've seen first hand via members of my own family how easily religion can be used to manipulate people.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 2:00 am to Taxing Authority
quote:Bacteria do not give birth so the question is irrelevant.
Do you believe bacteria are living?
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