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re: California Asks Residents to Avoid Charging Electric Vehicles

Posted on 6/24/21 at 2:45 pm to
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 6/24/21 at 2:45 pm to
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Are you implying the "peak hours" are due to EVs?

Are you implying the peak hours are not being affected by the EVs? If not, why would they ask people not to charge their EVs during those hours?
Because people are coming home from work between 6-9pm and charging their vehicles when the get home. Contributing to the strain sitting those hours.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 2:47 pm
Posted by bad93ex
Member since Sep 2018
27144 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 2:45 pm to
Need more solar panels along with rainbows and unicorns.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12483 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

Are you implying the peak hours are not being affected by the EVs? If not, why would they ask people not to charge their EVs during those hours?
Because people are coming home from work between 6-9pm and charging their vehicles when the get home. Contributing to the strain sitting those hours.


I implied nothing, I asked for clarification on your statement. But since you provided your basis for that comment I'll give some context. Yes EVs contribute to peak loads, because people come home and plug in their cars rights when they pull in the garage, as you noted. It's why smart chargers are being developed and deployed. But you know what else draws more power between 6-9pm, just about everything. People charge their phones more, run the A/C to cool the house off, wash closes, fire up all of electric appliances, etc. The question really is what's the load capacity of each, and to put it very simply, EV loads aren't even a top 10 contributor. If you look at the public advisors, there was a whole lot of things listed to lighten the load, and one of those things was to not charge you EV. Along with setting your AC at 82, not running your dryer and more.

So, saying peak has anything to do with EVs other than maybe being the 11th or 12 aggregated load contributor is false. And all this peak shite was around long before EVs were being made at any scale. I was fighting PG&E on peak rate cases before Elon bought Tesla.

ETA: Think about it like this. There are about 250k EVs in Ca. That's about 1.7% of all vehicles in the state for context. Now, how many air conditioners, electric stoves, electric clothes dryers, pool pumps, etc. are there in a state with 14.18M homes? It's simple math, EVS are a nothing load even if 100% of people plugged in and that's certainly not the case. Just because someone from a Ca utility put it on their PSA doesn't mean anything. You're giving these people too much credit for actually thinking about it.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 3:25 pm
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
15476 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 3:15 pm to
Holy Jesus! These buffoons are chasing their tail!

But if you get a vaccine, you get a free charge! LOL
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12483 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 3:16 pm to
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Need more solar panels along with rainbows and unicorns.


Throw some storage on that solar and not only can you tell the utility to GFY, but you'll make bank dumping excess power back in the grid during those peaks.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 6/24/21 at 3:31 pm to







Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
4966 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 4:31 pm to
This is why I don't understand the push for all these car companies to go all EV by 2030 to 2040. We can't supply the power we need now, much less when you have 50 million EV's on the road.

This makes me think the EV push is brought on by the elite, NWO, the Reseters, greenies, and it will limit our freedoms to travel when and where we want.

The push for EV's by car makers make sense because it is a much less complicated system and vehicle and is cheaper to make.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12483 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 5:00 pm to
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This is why I don't understand the push for all these car companies to go all EV by 2030 to 2040. We can't supply the power we need now, much less when you have 50 million EV's on the road. This makes me think the EV push is brought on by the elite, NWO, the Reseters, greenies, and it will limit our freedoms to travel when and where we want. The push for EV's by car makers make sense because it is a much less complicated system and vehicle and is cheaper to make.


I agree that the mandates on EV conversion, sales, etc are fricking stupid. But California is the only one trying to strong arm the manufacturers and at the end of the day, they’ll bow out when it doesn’t happen and give exceptions, like this did for the tier IV shite years ago.

The biggest driver right now is the car makers need money, and the banks, funds, etc with the money don’t want to invest in dinosaur tech, they want forward looking companies. So they all start signaling the ev switch, knowing they can’t actually develop and retool that fast, but whatever they still get the capital they to stay in business.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 5:57 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110820 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 5:05 pm to
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The push for EV's by car makers make sense because it is a much less complicated system and vehicle and is cheaper to make.

Yep, I'm all for EVs, but it's wayyyyyy too early to be making them mandatory by states, I don't like that.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 6:23 pm to
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The push for EV's by car makers make sense because it is a much less complicated system and vehicle and is cheaper to make.


There were once many more car makers, most of them failed because they did what they thought was best for the company, not what their customers wanted, EVs are another example of this mindset, let them fail.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110820 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 8:31 pm to
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EVs are another example of this mindset, let them fail.
They're not going away
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16560 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 8:38 pm to
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Throw some storage on that solar and not only can you tell the utility to GFY, but you'll make bank dumping excess power back in the grid during those peaks.





Yeah, in about 10 or 20 years after breaking even from the initial investment.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110820 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:56 pm to
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Yeah, in about 10 or 20 years after breaking even from the initial investment
So you said you'll begin profiting after 10-20 years, as opposed to continuing to lose money otherwise?

You say that like its a bad thing.
Posted by Byrdybyrd05
Member since Nov 2014
25711 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:58 pm to
These people are retarded lol
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
9288 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:10 pm to
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That's about 1.7% of all vehicles in the state for context

Yes dipshit. And what happens when it's 100% of the vehicles in the state?
That's what they want / are passing laws for.
The grid can't handle the loads now.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51571 posts
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:20 pm to
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But you know what else draws more power between 6-9pm


Gasoline-powered vehicles?

Oh, wait...
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12483 posts
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:06 am to
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Yes dipshit. And what happens when it's 100% of the vehicles in the state?
That's what they want / are passing laws for.
The grid can't handle the loads now.


Dipshit? Listen man, I get it. Things you don't understand are scary and you have to lash out. It's going to be ok.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12483 posts
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:06 am to
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Gasoline-powered vehicles?


Do the calculation for the grid load of gas pumps and get back to me.

And btw, for the record let me say it again, mandated EV roll outs are stupid. But the misinformation this place spews is ridiculous. I don't own an EV and personally have zero desire to have one. However, I've spent a lifetime working all over the energy sector (mostly O&G) and people have to be honest about this shite and not just regurgitate they're sides talking points.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 9:14 am
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12483 posts
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:09 am to
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Yeah, in about 10 or 20 years after breaking even from the initial investment.


OMG, you're right! Yeah in new shocking news energy generation investments have a long term ROI.
Posted by YouAre8Up
in a house
Member since Mar 2011
12792 posts
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:27 am to
But oil and gas is evil.
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