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re: California Asks Residents to Avoid Charging Electric Vehicles
Posted on 6/24/21 at 2:45 pm to billjamin
Posted on 6/24/21 at 2:45 pm to billjamin
quote:
Are you implying the "peak hours" are due to EVs?
Are you implying the peak hours are not being affected by the EVs? If not, why would they ask people not to charge their EVs during those hours?
Because people are coming home from work between 6-9pm and charging their vehicles when the get home. Contributing to the strain sitting those hours.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 6/24/21 at 2:45 pm to Smeg
Need more solar panels along with rainbows and unicorns.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 3:13 pm to Smeg
quote:
Are you implying the peak hours are not being affected by the EVs? If not, why would they ask people not to charge their EVs during those hours?
Because people are coming home from work between 6-9pm and charging their vehicles when the get home. Contributing to the strain sitting those hours.
I implied nothing, I asked for clarification on your statement. But since you provided your basis for that comment I'll give some context. Yes EVs contribute to peak loads, because people come home and plug in their cars rights when they pull in the garage, as you noted. It's why smart chargers are being developed and deployed. But you know what else draws more power between 6-9pm, just about everything. People charge their phones more, run the A/C to cool the house off, wash closes, fire up all of electric appliances, etc. The question really is what's the load capacity of each, and to put it very simply, EV loads aren't even a top 10 contributor. If you look at the public advisors, there was a whole lot of things listed to lighten the load, and one of those things was to not charge you EV. Along with setting your AC at 82, not running your dryer and more.
So, saying peak has anything to do with EVs other than maybe being the 11th or 12 aggregated load contributor is false. And all this peak shite was around long before EVs were being made at any scale. I was fighting PG&E on peak rate cases before Elon bought Tesla.
ETA: Think about it like this. There are about 250k EVs in Ca. That's about 1.7% of all vehicles in the state for context. Now, how many air conditioners, electric stoves, electric clothes dryers, pool pumps, etc. are there in a state with 14.18M homes? It's simple math, EVS are a nothing load even if 100% of people plugged in and that's certainly not the case. Just because someone from a Ca utility put it on their PSA doesn't mean anything. You're giving these people too much credit for actually thinking about it.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 6/24/21 at 3:15 pm to Crimson Wraith
Holy Jesus! These buffoons are chasing their tail!
But if you get a vaccine, you get a free charge! LOL
But if you get a vaccine, you get a free charge! LOL
Posted on 6/24/21 at 3:16 pm to bad93ex
quote:
Need more solar panels along with rainbows and unicorns.
Throw some storage on that solar and not only can you tell the utility to GFY, but you'll make bank dumping excess power back in the grid during those peaks.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 4:31 pm to billjamin
This is why I don't understand the push for all these car companies to go all EV by 2030 to 2040. We can't supply the power we need now, much less when you have 50 million EV's on the road.
This makes me think the EV push is brought on by the elite, NWO, the Reseters, greenies, and it will limit our freedoms to travel when and where we want.
The push for EV's by car makers make sense because it is a much less complicated system and vehicle and is cheaper to make.
This makes me think the EV push is brought on by the elite, NWO, the Reseters, greenies, and it will limit our freedoms to travel when and where we want.
The push for EV's by car makers make sense because it is a much less complicated system and vehicle and is cheaper to make.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 5:00 pm to jp4lsu
quote:
This is why I don't understand the push for all these car companies to go all EV by 2030 to 2040. We can't supply the power we need now, much less when you have 50 million EV's on the road. This makes me think the EV push is brought on by the elite, NWO, the Reseters, greenies, and it will limit our freedoms to travel when and where we want. The push for EV's by car makers make sense because it is a much less complicated system and vehicle and is cheaper to make.
I agree that the mandates on EV conversion, sales, etc are fricking stupid. But California is the only one trying to strong arm the manufacturers and at the end of the day, they’ll bow out when it doesn’t happen and give exceptions, like this did for the tier IV shite years ago.
The biggest driver right now is the car makers need money, and the banks, funds, etc with the money don’t want to invest in dinosaur tech, they want forward looking companies. So they all start signaling the ev switch, knowing they can’t actually develop and retool that fast, but whatever they still get the capital they to stay in business.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 6/24/21 at 5:05 pm to jp4lsu
quote:Yep, I'm all for EVs, but it's wayyyyyy too early to be making them mandatory by states, I don't like that.
The push for EV's by car makers make sense because it is a much less complicated system and vehicle and is cheaper to make.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 6:23 pm to jp4lsu
quote:
The push for EV's by car makers make sense because it is a much less complicated system and vehicle and is cheaper to make.
There were once many more car makers, most of them failed because they did what they thought was best for the company, not what their customers wanted, EVs are another example of this mindset, let them fail.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 8:31 pm to EA6B
quote:They're not going away
EVs are another example of this mindset, let them fail.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 8:38 pm to billjamin
quote:
Throw some storage on that solar and not only can you tell the utility to GFY, but you'll make bank dumping excess power back in the grid during those peaks.
Yeah, in about 10 or 20 years after breaking even from the initial investment.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:56 pm to Clames
quote:So you said you'll begin profiting after 10-20 years, as opposed to continuing to lose money otherwise?
Yeah, in about 10 or 20 years after breaking even from the initial investment
You say that like its a bad thing.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:58 pm to Crimson Wraith
These people are retarded lol
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:10 pm to billjamin
quote:
That's about 1.7% of all vehicles in the state for context
Yes dipshit. And what happens when it's 100% of the vehicles in the state?
That's what they want / are passing laws for.
The grid can't handle the loads now.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:20 pm to billjamin
quote:
But you know what else draws more power between 6-9pm
Gasoline-powered vehicles?
Oh, wait...
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:06 am to Smeg
quote:
Yes dipshit. And what happens when it's 100% of the vehicles in the state?
That's what they want / are passing laws for.
The grid can't handle the loads now.
Dipshit? Listen man, I get it. Things you don't understand are scary and you have to lash out. It's going to be ok.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:06 am to Bard
quote:
Gasoline-powered vehicles?
Do the calculation for the grid load of gas pumps and get back to me.
And btw, for the record let me say it again, mandated EV roll outs are stupid. But the misinformation this place spews is ridiculous. I don't own an EV and personally have zero desire to have one. However, I've spent a lifetime working all over the energy sector (mostly O&G) and people have to be honest about this shite and not just regurgitate they're sides talking points.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 9:14 am
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:09 am to Clames
quote:
Yeah, in about 10 or 20 years after breaking even from the initial investment.
OMG, you're right! Yeah in new shocking news energy generation investments have a long term ROI.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 9:27 am to Crimson Wraith
But oil and gas is evil.
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