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re: Business owners: Are you having hard time finding employees?
Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:29 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:29 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
Ask yourself this question.
How are oilfield, pipeline, and turn around companies, etc able to instantly find tens if not hundreds of thousands of people on short notice willing to work nights, weekends, and holidays in any weather imaginable?
Answer: they pay what is required.
Not so long ago in this country a man could work manual labor his whole life and be able to afford a house, raise his kids and perhaps even pay out of pocket for their college while having a stay at home spouse.
Now both spouses likely work manual labor and they likely still fall below the poverty line.
Part of it is due to the handouts and the Democrats are to blame but the biggest factor is the wholesale outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to the Far East and that lays at the feet of the GOP.
Blaming the workers who are nothing more than pawns in this game is a waste of time IMHO.
How are oilfield, pipeline, and turn around companies, etc able to instantly find tens if not hundreds of thousands of people on short notice willing to work nights, weekends, and holidays in any weather imaginable?
Answer: they pay what is required.
Not so long ago in this country a man could work manual labor his whole life and be able to afford a house, raise his kids and perhaps even pay out of pocket for their college while having a stay at home spouse.
Now both spouses likely work manual labor and they likely still fall below the poverty line.
Part of it is due to the handouts and the Democrats are to blame but the biggest factor is the wholesale outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to the Far East and that lays at the feet of the GOP.
Blaming the workers who are nothing more than pawns in this game is a waste of time IMHO.
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Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:32 am to texashorn
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Oh, and the people getting their arse up over their back about paying higher wages will be the first ones to complain about high prices.
That is just human nature and is universal, they will complain regardless of price.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:33 am to texashorn
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But what happened to the biblical “not willing to work, let them starve”?
You specifically mentioned free diapers as something that should be eliminated. I guess those infants not putting in their 40 hours at the plant are just lazy. Of course, we’re lucky you’re tough enough to teach them the value of hard work.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:36 am to cave canem
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the biggest factor is the wholesale outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to the Far East and that lays at the feet of the GOP.
That’s not exactly accurate. The GOP wasn’t pushing the EPA down everyone’s throats.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:41 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
I agree that companies are unwilling to train good people if you look online every damn job wants experience of a year or more some of these jobs could train a good candidate in two weeks to do these job instead they ask for experience in add and people don't bother to apply
Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:41 am to FLTech
What kinda work? Full time? Does it include benefits? $30/hr is pretty good pay. Heck, I could probably afford a decent 1br condo near the beach at that rate. shoot me an email at bryndenblackfish@gmail.com
FYI, I rarely, if ever, go to church, my car runs fine, I have no spouse or kids, and I have little desire to visit my family or to drive from Florida to Louisiana to see football games. Kinda just want to play guitar, drink a beer or two, and look at the water when I’m not at work.
FYI, I rarely, if ever, go to church, my car runs fine, I have no spouse or kids, and I have little desire to visit my family or to drive from Florida to Louisiana to see football games. Kinda just want to play guitar, drink a beer or two, and look at the water when I’m not at work.
This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 12:50 am
Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:44 am to tigerfoot
quote:You are a cheapskate.
You can work for me 15.00 an hour with ZERO training, nada, just show up, be nice, and work a little. we can teach you all you need in three weeks.
I get it, it isn't a ton of money, but I also give a phone allowance, bonuses, you can make an extra 3-4k a year in extra cash.
I have hell finding even one decent employee per search.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:49 am to Steadmans Cheddar
Sorry, I guess I’m pretty heartless. The failure of compassion has jaded me.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:49 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
quote:You sound like someone who has zero experience in the real world.
That’s impossible. Too many successful investments. Too many idiots paying high labor wages they can’t afford with no ROI causing them to going out of business. After reading this thread, I might as well feast on struggling competitors and take them out. Nobody cares about creating opportunities I guess.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:52 am to texashorn
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That’s not exactly accurate. The GOP wasn’t pushing the EPA down everyone’s throats.
Who "opened China" for US investment and encouraged firms to relocate there?
Who proposed and passed the tax laws making it beneficial?
Who passed the biggest EPA hurdle the Clean Water Act?
All GOP
And it is still going on, the latest tax bill added another sweetener for outsourcing but no one wants to talk about that cause they got theirs.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:52 am to mmcgrath
More often (with retail businesses), they don’t hire enough employees (or bad employees) that cannot handle the load of customers resulting in slow/bad service and cut corners. This, of course, alienates customers so they never become repeat business, and the business runs out of customers in a death spiral because it earned a bad reputation.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:55 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
Pay more and people will leave other companies to work for you. Problem solved.
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:55 am to cave canem
The clean water act was passed by Democrats who controlled Congress and vetoed by Richard Nixon, which the Democrats overrode.
Nice try.
Nice try.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 1:02 am to cave canem
Sounds like OP doesn’t invest in his (or her) employees appropriately. If all you meet are assholes all day....no one wants to work for the guy who is shitting on the little guys while hiring immigrant labor to replace them. At that level of work, you’ll have to burn through a lot to find a few who will show up and not be a problem. The op reminds me of a company that I used to work for a long time ago. They wanted to hire cdl drivers who also would be on crews working 12+ hour days and often worked out of town. They advertised this as an $18/hr position and were just horrified to see the type of candidate that showed up for that listing. We passed billboards every morning offering $26+ an hour for cdl workers who could sleep in their own beds.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 1:04 am to kingbob
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This, of course, alienates customers so they never become repeat business, and the business runs out of customers in a death spiral because it earned a bad reputation.
This is true in the live entertainment environment here also. It’s amazing to see how vanilla the music scene is after many bands took their ball and went home after having to fight to make any money
Posted on 1/16/20 at 1:10 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
So didn't like my idea about college and HS kids huh?
Posted on 1/16/20 at 1:10 am to texashorn
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The clean water act was passed by Democrats who controlled Congress and vetoed by Richard Nixon, which the Democrats overrode.
The Republicans refused to vote in the senate which is why the Dems were able to override it there and went out of their way to provide enough votes for the veto in the house.
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Upon the “return without approval” of the bill to Congress, veto override debates were conducted by the Senate and the House on October 17 and 18, 1972, respectively. This is where it should get interesting for students of current national politics, for the Senate voted by 52-12 to override, with 36 Senators not voting. Of the 52 Senators who voted to override President Nixon’s veto, 39 were Democrats, 17 were Republicans, with one (Buckley-NY) independent “Conservative.” Democrats accounted for 4 of the 12 “nay” votes.
The House voted after debate by a staggering 247-23 to override, with one Representative answering “present” and 160 Representatives not voting. Of the 247 Representatives who voted to override President Nixon’s veto, 96 were Republicans and 151 were Democrats. Democrats accounted for 10 of the 23 “nay” votes.
I am going to leave this now as we are way off topic for the OP
Posted on 1/16/20 at 1:34 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
The whole story is not being presented. Are you underpaying for the position? Are you willing to train? Are you looking in the right places? Are you a terrible person to work for?
I've known a lot of hard working people that smoke weed and only off the clock. Maybe you should reevaluate your position.
Not being able to find good employees for $30/hr like another poster claimed is very difficult to believe. My company hired thousands of new low-skilled employees, all with background checks and drug tests, all across the country this past year. They pay nothing close to $30/hr for these new jobs, yet they are having no problem filling positions.
I've known a lot of hard working people that smoke weed and only off the clock. Maybe you should reevaluate your position.
Not being able to find good employees for $30/hr like another poster claimed is very difficult to believe. My company hired thousands of new low-skilled employees, all with background checks and drug tests, all across the country this past year. They pay nothing close to $30/hr for these new jobs, yet they are having no problem filling positions.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 1:41 am to cave canem
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The Republicans refused to vote in the senate
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with 36 Senators not voting
I looked up the Senate vote tally, and 19 Republicans did not vote while 17 Democrats did not vote. That’s hardly a Republican conspiracy to alter the outcome.
LINK
At best, it was bipartisan. Not exactly ramrodded through by the GOP.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 3:28 am to FLTech
Have seen 3 people respond about this $30 an hour job. Have a son lives less than 15 mins from Destin who is thinking of getting out of the travel game. If this is a "real" job think you can probably hire by end of week.
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