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re: Brown University Shooting Thread: UPDATE, Also Suspect in MIT murder; Committed Suicide

Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:48 am to
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
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Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:48 am to
IMPORTANT

Want the facts?

Here are the relevant facts laid out in the arrest warrant affidavit:

Affidavit in Support of Warrant

Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
2007 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:51 am to
That affidavit certainly must constitute perjury, because I was assured by the vast majority of this forum that the Providence police were doing absolutely nothing to find and track the killer.

FTR, the Integrity Tally on the “Apologies to Mustapha” thread remains at ... zero.

FTR2, I upvoted your OP. Good find.
This post was edited on 12/19/25 at 9:55 am
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8767 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 9:52 am to
Here's the Reddit post that broke the case:

Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8767 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:02 am to
quote:

because I was assured by the vast majority of this forum that the Providence police were doing absolutely nothing to find and track the killer.


Like most, I was annoyed with the communication style with the Rhode Island gang. For instance, TELL the public what the shooter was reported by some to have said.

Ultimately, good for them, they solved the case.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296927 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:04 am to
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Police, AG, Feds circle jerking each other over finding this guy but without the “homeless” dude the guy would still be running free.


Cops rely on eyewitness and community for information for almost every single homicide case.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
2007 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:06 am to
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Police, AG, Feds circle jerking each other over finding this guy but without the “homeless” dude the guy would still be running free.
How do you think law-enforcement officials normally solve crimes?
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8767 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:06 am to
Thx for the upvote.

As for the offer for reconciliation, I still think the situation could have been ameliorated by officials through open communication.

Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
16896 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:18 am to
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How do you think law-enforcement officials normally solve crimes?


From tips and local help.

Just get up there and acknowledge that not continuous hand jobs to each other for such a great job after you obviously had no clue what was going on.
Posted by AmishSamurai
Member since Feb 2020
3839 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:31 am to
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Just get up there and acknowledge that not continuous hand jobs to each other for such a great job after you obviously had no clue what was going on.


The Providence PD and Brown University have opened themselves up to significant civil lawsuits ...

Will be interesting to see the follow-on press conferences as these lawsuits start being filed ...
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8767 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 10:38 am to
Brown, definitely.

What's your theory about Providence's culpability?
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8767 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:07 am to
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Admins and dear readers: The OP over a number of threads tried to steer and control the narrative during the Butler assassination attempt on Trump.

This same individual is tactfully directing and controlling the narrative on the Brown shooting.

There appears to be attempts to mitigate and soften negative opinions towards the University.

This may or not be apparent to most posters or admins.
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But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.


BigTigerJoe or any of the other cowards who upvoted his comment, are you man enough to back up the allegation that I was steering this to protect Brown and that I'm a "traitor"?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23403 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:10 am to
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The disclosure from the authorities is so bad we don't even know if the time of this voluntary study session was posted. Also, the session had run a few minutes late according to the T.A. that ran it. So, the shooter almost missed the class

For all we know, he could have entered the building looking for targets of opportunity and this just happened to be the first one he encountered. In fact, I think that's the most likely explanation, based on what we know now.


Its been posted that the week of the shooting was a study time, and that there was a Physics class during that time that had an exam but it was moved to another location or time due to it being final exams.

So the thought process was that he thought he was going into a Physics class, but it was a study session for an Economics class.

This was all posted on a chat, and likely used within the university established messaging programs that likely was not available to outside parties?
Posted by TigerIron
Member since Feb 2021
3871 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:13 am to
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+Why was the university wiping their system clean of 1 particular person that happened to match the description/potentially had ideological motives to kill people and who totally had nothing to do with the situation?


I don't know the truth of what happened, but one reason could be that internet sleuths found that person and accused him of being the murderer since he was Palestinian and had pronouns in his profile, without any real evidence that he was a suspect.

Posted by TigerIron
Member since Feb 2021
3871 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:16 am to
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Like most, I was annoyed with the communication style with the Rhode Island gang. For instance, TELL the public what the shooter was reported by some to have said.

Ultimately, good for them, they solved the case.


They bungled the case, and have been completely inept in sharing information about the case and answering questions about the case.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23403 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:19 am to
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I don't know the truth of what happened, but one reason could be that internet sleuths found that person and accused him of being the murderer since he was Palestinian and had pronouns in his profile, without any real evidence that he was a suspect.


They also found a photo online of him wearing similar colored clothing and he looked to fit the description in skin color and build.

I don't know the exact right move here, but its hard to blame a University, Corporation, etc. for removing a members profile when the internet is all over them. The optics look bad, but its also unprofessional for them to allow it to continue.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64152 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:19 am to
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, but one reason could be that internet sleuths found that person and accused him of being the murderer since he was Palestinian and had pronouns in his profile, without any real evidence that he was a suspect.



Actually the removal of his profile increased the attention on him because it was so weird.

Despite this, they still never unequivocally denied/cleared him as a suspect.

All they had to do was provide extremely clear language that he was without a doubt NOT the suspect along with some other piece of evidence backing it up and it would have been done.


What did we get instead? Silence, vagueness, and misdirection. The president even claimed to have "no clue" his name was even scrubbed.
This post was edited on 12/19/25 at 11:20 am
Posted by SWINC
Member since Sep 2022
506 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:27 am to
Mad props to the homeless man who solved the case

He could have easily been killed
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8767 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:30 am to
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So the thought process was that he thought he was going into a Physics class, but it was a study session for an Economics class.



Thanks. I hadn't seen that.

ABSENT some inside information, I don't think there could have been a reasonable expectation of a class meeting in that room on a SATURDAY afternoon (see AI capture from Brown Registrar below). The perp was in Providence several days before the shooting. If he had wanted to shoot up a large physics class, he could have done that on any weekday.

From the arrest warrant, shell casings were found OUTSIDE the classroom. Also, the T.A. said that he thought he heard gunshots just prior to the gunman entering the room.

I haven't been able to find a floor plan, but I suspect Room 166 just happened to be the first active classroom/large concentration of targets the killer encountered.

##### ChatGPT re Saturday physics classes...

Here’s what we can tell about physics classes at Brown University in the Fall semester and whether any met on Saturday afternoons:

?? Typical Fall Physics Class Schedules

From the most recent available course listings (Brown Bulletin/Physics Department), all regular physics courses — at least undergrad ones — during Fall 2025 are scheduled on weekdays (Monday through Friday). For example:

Intro physics and labs meet MWF or T/Th/W/F in weekday slots (no Saturday listed).

Standard scheduling guidelines at Brown generally assign courses to weekday times (e.g., MWF 50-minute blocks, TTh 80-minute blocks, or seminars 2.5 hrs on one weekday).


?? Do Brown Classes Ever Meet on Saturdays?

Brown’s Registrar standard meeting patterns do not include Saturday class blocks in regular undergraduate schedules. Courses are normally assigned within Monday–Friday time slots.

If there were special Saturday sessions (like makeup classes, field trips, or optional labs), they would be noted individually in the schedule, but in the standard listings there are no Saturday meetings for physics classes in the fall.
This post was edited on 12/19/25 at 11:34 am
Posted by CapnKangaroo
Member since Dec 2025
357 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:39 am to
We know anything about the killer yet? Was this politically motovated?
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8767 posts
Posted on 12/19/25 at 11:41 am to
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We know anything about the killer yet? Was this politically motovated?


Unknown so far. Seems more personal.
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